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| Joe Vitus |
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billyweeds wrote: Gary--No one sets out to create an inadquate movie. My feeling, Joe to the contrary, is that the basic material was not strong enough to sustain the overblown production.
Of course, I have to respond.
That's like saying the film version of Annie flopped because the original material was weak. As with that movie, very little of what is Nine made it onto the screen. The structure is gone, more than half the score is gone, the resolution is nothing like the resolution onstage. The very title has a different meaning in the film than onstage (where it is the origin of Guido's psyche).
And Marshall was clearly scared. He was scared to have people break into song so he stole the concept he created for Chicago were the songs are dreams in characters' minds. Except it worked for that material and doesn't work for Nine. He stole his dance ideas from his own earlier work, too, and that's not just fear, that's laziness. If you like Chicago and have access to to DVD, why bother with a remake when you can watch the original?
That's why the movie tanked. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:11 pm |
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chillywilly wrote: Joe Vitus wrote:
Not the The Kids are Alright I was thinking about.
Nope. I was a bit confused on this one, too. It was a surprise entry and one that wasn't in the list of selected films when they announced them a few weeks back. My wife wanted to see this one since it has Julianne Moore in it. And that it was labeled as a comedy.
There are two other films I'm going to try and check out:
8: The Mormon Proposition
http://sundance.bside.com/2010/films/8themormonproposition_sundance2010
Jack Goes Boating
http://sundance.bside.com/2010/films/jackgoesboating_sundance2010
The first is all sold out at all showings, so it's a standby wait list on the day of the show (2 hours before they sell extra tickets). I know the story, but the documentary also tells of other related events that were part of the Prop 8 vote in Calif.
The second movie was directed by and stars Philip Seymour Hoffman, and it's his directorial debut. Will most likely take my daughter (warpedgirl17) to this one.
I can see why The Mormon Proposition sold out. Looks very intriguing.
Are tickets for Sundance expensive, or is it the deluge of people that make seeing a picture difficult? |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:22 pm |
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| Chilly..........Sounds VERY exciting for you! |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:40 pm |
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I just saw "Up In The Air" First impression: Clooney plays Clooney really well. No Oscar from me.
The best actors were the "real people" who actually lost their jobs receiving the bad news. More later.
I'm hungry.....for food. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:30 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I can see why The Mormon Proposition sold out. Looks very intriguing.
Are tickets for Sundance expensive, or is it the deluge of people that make seeing a picture difficult?
All tickets for all shows are $15 per person. A bit much, but considering all the work that goes into organizing such an event with over 120 showings of different films in 10 days, I think it's worth the price of admission.
The last time I went to a showing (over 4 years ago), it was $12 a ticket. |
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Befade wrote: Chilly..........Sounds VERY exciting for you!
I am excited. Always a great experience to see some great films. |
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| billyweeds |
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Joe Vitus wrote: billyweeds wrote: Gary--No one sets out to create an inadquate movie. My feeling, Joe to the contrary, is that the basic material was not strong enough to sustain the overblown production.
Of course, I have to respond.
That's like saying the film version of Annie flopped because the original material was weak. As with that movie, very little of what is Nine made it onto the screen. The structure is gone, more than half the score is gone, the resolution is nothing like the resolution onstage. The very title has a different meaning in the film than onstage (where it is the origin of Guido's psyche).
And Marshall was clearly scared. He was scared to have people break into song so he stole the concept he created for Chicago were the songs are dreams in characters' minds. Except it worked for that material and doesn't work for Nine. He stole his dance ideas from his own earlier work, too, and that's not just fear, that's laziness. If you like Chicago and have access to to DVD, why bother with a remake when you can watch the original?
That's why the movie tanked.
Sorry for my presumption, Joe. I haven't seen the movie and you have, and I bow to your quite convincing reasoning.
I will wait..and wait...to see the movie, however. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:25 am |
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| Having heard that A Serious Man was unlike Coen Brothers trademark comedies, I did not expect much. But I was pleasantly surprised. It is probably their greatest achievement. And it is their best comedy. Spoilers: The theme of "Life is unfair; bad stuff just happens" is taken to the extreme and is presented in the context of Jewish experience, but it actually has a universal resonance. Why does gross caricaturization succeed here but rings hollow in Up in the Air? Perhaps because the caricatures are based on people who are real, people that we all know. |
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billyweeds wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: billyweeds wrote: Gary--No one sets out to create an inadquate movie. My feeling, Joe to the contrary, is that the basic material was not strong enough to sustain the overblown production.
Of course, I have to respond.
That's like saying the film version of Annie flopped because the original material was weak. As with that movie, very little of what is Nine made it onto the screen. The structure is gone, more than half the score is gone, the resolution is nothing like the resolution onstage. The very title has a different meaning in the film than onstage (where it is the origin of Guido's psyche).
And Marshall was clearly scared. He was scared to have people break into song so he stole the concept he created for Chicago were the songs are dreams in characters' minds. Except it worked for that material and doesn't work for Nine. He stole his dance ideas from his own earlier work, too, and that's not just fear, that's laziness. If you like Chicago and have access to to DVD, why bother with a remake when you can watch the original?
That's why the movie tanked.
Sorry for my presumption, Joe. I haven't seen the movie and you have, and I bow to your quite convincing reasoning.
I will wait..and wait...to see the movie, however.
Thanks. I get that you don't like the basic matierial, and I respect that even as I disagree with you. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:18 am |
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mirgun wrote: I just saw "Up In The Air" First impression: Clooney plays Clooney really well. No Oscar from me.
The best actors were the "real people" who actually lost their jobs receiving the bad news. More later.
I'm hungry.....for food.
I agree. I quite like Clooney, but he is quickly becoming a one trick pony to me. Overall, I liked the film but found it more than a little depressing. Who could stand to do a job like that, yikes. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:53 am |
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marantzo wrote: I wonder if A Serious Man will ever get here? |
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| billyweeds |
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whiskeypriest wrote: marantzo wrote: I wonder if A Serious Man will ever get here? I had hoped for a wider release when award season got in full swing, but it isn't getting that much mention. Sadly, and wrongly. But it'll be out on DVD for you to buy and treasure. It's what the rest of my 50$ Amazon gift card is going to, after I pick up Hurt Locker.
A Serious Man is definitely a buyer and a keeper, as is The Hurt Locker. As is--see my post in Couch--the unknown Sleeping Dogs Lie. |
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