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| Befade |
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| Has anyone seen the films or any of the films of HENRY JAGLOM? I had never heard of him before and just saw Irene in Time which I really liked. I just watched his 1985 film.....Always which featured a young Melissa Leo. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:12 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: Marc wrote: After doing some big numbers in it's first few days, THE HURT LOCKER is tumbling to the ground.
Not according to Movieweb.com, which says (two hours ago) that:
Kathryn Bigalow's The Hurt Locker stayed at the top of the per-screen average charts, pulling in another $126,000 on its allotted nine screens.
Verified this on Box Office Mojo. The Hurt Locker did $14,000 per screen, as opposed to $10,000-some-odd for Ice Age and Transformers, the next-highest average. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:28 pm |
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Billy,
I am rooting for THE HURT LOCKER. I like Kathryn Bigelow's work. I will be the first in line to see it when it opens in Austin next weekend. A $14,000 per screen average doesn't mean a lot when a film is playing on a handful of screens. THE HURT LOCKER is playing on 9 screens. Transformers 2 is playing on over 4000. So, of course the per screen average is going be higher when a movie is playing on so few screens. I hope I'm wrong because I want quality to rise to the top. But, I'm not sure this slow roll-out is going to pay-off for THE HURT LOCKER.
PUBLIC ENEMIES surprised everyone by doing $41 million. It's not a smash, but it did better than anyone predicted. Michael Mann is a tough sell. Johnny Depp may have sold this one. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:30 pm |
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| Marc--You said The Hurt Locker is "tumbling to the ground." This is clearly not the case, and that's all I was saying. Depp obviously has a lot to do with the success of Public Enemies. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:36 pm |
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Billy, opening week THE HURT LOCKER did $36,000 per screen on 4 screens. This week it did $14,000 per screen on over twice the number of screens.
That is a significant drop. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:56 pm |
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| Befade: Henry Jaglom used to come to our film class and we saw all his films, though I haven't seen one since I left the class (around 2002). They were odd and amusing and I liked them, though some people in class thought they were boring. Jaglom wasn't boring, though. Funny, quirky, enthusiastic, energetic, so into his concept of moviemaking. And he really had been a friend of Orson Welles, which he always managed to get into the conversation. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:00 pm |
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| My mother is very anxious to see "Public Enemies" because she knew Melvin Purvis's cousin when they were teenagers. Purvis was a South Carolina boy. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:02 pm |
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| Jaglom's films, for the most part, are self-indulgent and boring. Of the films of his that I've seen, I recommend SITTING DUCKS. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:43 am |
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| I mostly liked Jaglom's Always (But Not Forever), which mixes very personal reenactment of his life with some fictional storytelling. It features one weekend when his real ex-wife brings the divorce papers for him to sign, and he attempts a sort of lost puppy-dog reconciliation. Very self-indulgent, but also raw and sentimental. I thought there was a better film lurking underneath if a few different choices were made, but it's still an interesting personal style of hybrid filmmaking. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:34 am |
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Marc wrote: Billy, opening week THE HURT LOCKER did $36,000 per screen on 4 screens. This week it did $14,000 per screen on over twice the number of screens.
That is a significant drop.
Maybe, but the sum total of the average was still greater than most movies get on limited release. It's definitely not yet a certifiable failure by a long, long shot. In other words, your obituary is way premature. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:48 am |
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David Edelstein in New York Magazine ties together Public Enemies and Michael Jackson in an obvious tribute to Third Eye Film Society. Except that Edelstein prefers Jackson to Mann.
Public Enemies has incidental pleasures (its hi-def video palette is fascinatingly weird), but it’s only Depp’s sense of fun that keeps it from being a period gangster museum piece. After Michael Jackson’s death, I rewatched his video of “Smooth Criminal”—a gangster fantasia with rat-tat-tat hoofing and a touch of Guys and Dolls. It’s madly inventive, genre-bending, at once a study in urban paranoia and a tribute to the artist as outlaw-loner. Public Enemies has none of that originality and passion, and Mann can’t dance. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:32 am |
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What he forgot to mention is that the Smooth Criminal song completely sucks.
I had never heard or heard of it until I was setting up a Dvd yesterday and stumbled upon a Michael Jackson tribute show on Chinese TV.
I also saw some expensive-looking sci-fi video for the song Scream, with Janet in tow. Much better and more interesting than that faux gangster schtick.
I saw one more which was Jackson with some Brazilian drum band, which looked like his sort of Paul Simon Graceland attempt -- leading me to realize how little I knew or had heard Michael Jackson's music (let alone videos).
My local DVd shop already has a 32 disc (+ 1 CD) box set of Michael Jackson videos.
I agree with what Joe said, but would add in the other MJ as well. Michaels Jordan and Jackson did help remove the color lenses from most young people growing up in that late 80's/early 90's era. They were just wildly successful people that white kids admired and wanted to emulate. Race wasn't really much of a factor for the first time since, uh, ever in American history. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:47 am |
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Race wasn't an issue for Johnny Mathis, Harry Belafonte, Stevie Wonder, Frankie Lyman, Bo Diddley, Nat King Cole, Jimmy Hendrix, Sammy Davis Jr. and many others. These performers were idolized by white girls/women and favourites of white boys/men. And this doesn't include the Black groups like The Platters, The Coasters, The Drifters and on and on. All these performers would fill then seats and it certainly wasn't an all Black audience.
Of course the South in those times had officials (and a populous) that would not look kindly on these musician and there are plenty examples of harassment and actual arrests and jail by cops down there, but that nonsense was pretty well extinct by the time that Jackson showed up on the scene.
Besides, Jackson was white. Haven't you noticed? |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:06 am |
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Gary,
Little Richard was a Black groundbreaker who appealed to all races, was androgynous, could dance like a motherfucker and played a mean piano. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:11 am |
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After two weeks of release, THE HURT LOCKER has done $365 thousand in business. I predict it will end up doing less than $10 million dollars total.
THE HURT LOCKER's boxoffice does not reflect on the quality of the film but the quality of the movie going public. It seems even the greatest of films will not attract an audience if Iraq is part of the film's theme. I wish it were otherwise. We need to see and understand what's going on in these perilous times. |
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