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Ghulam
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:09 pm Reply with quote
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inlareviewer wrote:
Finally saw The Savages. Went with someone else driving, and a good thing, too: can't stop weeping, as I did through the sardonic cackles and sudden intakes of breath that it elicited during its running-time. Both stars atop their games and then some, La Linney especially incisive but Hillip Pheymour Soffman hardly chopped pedant. And, as the object of narrative dilemma, Mr. Bosco displays so much investment as to make one worry about his real-life mental status. Tamara Jenkins is no longer going places -- she's gotten there. It's a little film, but an insidious one, and Blanche nominations are blown to hell. May never regain my composure; the irises of my eyes look like Christmas trees from their contrast with the now-red whites. Quirky, spiky, resonant, often hilarious -- Brecht may also never recover -- and deeply affecting.

(insert damp Kleenex and amoeba emoticon here)


I think it is one of the top five movies of the year. Linney and Hoffman both deserve nominations. Also Tamara jenkins for direction.
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lshap
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:42 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:

But I want to let the Canadians (Gary and Lorne) know that they had a Canada Day at the Palm Springs Film Festival. Some consul in LA introduced the latest Denys Arcand film, Days of Darkness. What an intelligent film! What a sense of humor and the bigger picture and the ordinaryness of life you Canadians have!!


It's true, life in Canada is ordinary. Extra Terrestrials never invade us or befriend our kids, terrorist masterminds ignore us and our skyscrapers have remained mostly ape-free. Same old same old. I sometimes long for the excitement of those great dusty plains in your American cities, and the disarming "Howdy pardner!" you Americans use to greet each other before saddling up to go kill something. And all those harmonicas - gosh! - don't get me started!
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inlareviewer
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:33 pm Reply with quote
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Trish wrote:


If any one deserves the actor of the year award it Hoffman for his three brilliant performances (over a couple months) - Before The Devil Knows You're Dead, The Savages, Charlie Wilsion's War - he beter get some damn oscar nom (or perhaps two!!) this Tuesday


Word. And that from a Goslingish Mortensenic Pinsentish Amalrique Langellian with a Jones for Depp, but, still... Hillip Pheymour Soffman defines Master Thespian when merely opening submitted scripts.

ehle64 wrote:

Agreed on every word, but I wasn't as weepy as I thought I'd be. The inevitable outcome scene notwithstanding. I was really blown away by the student's question in the classroom after PSH get's the call. "What's the difference between PLOT and NARRATIVE?" Plus, who doesn't like a film that starts out with 60-something ladies in sparkly-blue cheerleader suits appearing out of holes in a hedge?

Am sure I don't know, and whoever doesn't can just bite me, tee-hee. I was actually more weepy than I thought I'd be, having braced myself for difficult personal factors since first seeing the trailer. Put off seeing it for the longest while. In my naivete, thought that Diving Bell and Away From Her had already performed cathartic functions. Ha. Was totally unprepared for Bosco, who wiped out several Supphose contenders and my composure with one fecal stroke, let alone La Linney and Hillip Pheymour Soffman, whose conjoined maximum-identification factor, even, nay, especially when most cringe-worthy and guffaw-inducing, made me amoeba-fied, pretty much throughout.

Ghulam wrote:

I think it is one of the top five movies of the year. Linney and Hoffman both deserve nominations. Also Tamara jenkins for direction.
Am inclined to agree. The film's virtual absence from the awards rodeo radar is understandable, I suppose, but regrettable, and is its own bittersweet commentary on awards rodeoae in general.

Edited in attrition for Trish omission.


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mo_flixx
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:07 am Reply with quote
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I saw TWBB today. Lots of shots of the characters crawling around covered in fake oil. Very over the top.

It occurred to me that this would make a much better opera than a movie. I could see the stage set with oil derricks against the Texas sky or the dark mansion cum bowling alley at the finale.

I really liked the low key score, however, and will nominate it [the score] for a Blanche.

Also seen: "The Orphanage." I noticed that it was produced NOT directed by Guillermo del Toro. It revisits familiar territory from "Pan's Labyrinth" and "Don't Look Now."

It got good reviews but I found it a bit disappointing. Some scary moments however.


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Didn't realize that there was a documentary on Dr. Bronner. Dr. Bronner's Magic Soapbox.

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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:03 am Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:
I saw TWBB today. Lots of shots of the characters crawling around covered in fake oil. Very over the top.

It occurred to me that this would make a much better opera than a movie. I could see the stage set with oil derricks against the Texas sky or the dark mansion cum bowling alley at the finale.

I really liked the low key score, however, and will nominate it for a Blanche.

Also seen: "The Orphanage." I noticed that it was produced NOT directed by Guillermo del Toro. It revisits familiar territory from "Pan's Labyrinth" and "Don't Look Now."

It got good reviews but I found it a bit disappointing. Some scary moments however.


Love your idea of TWBB the opera. It might almost work that way. Certainly it doesn't as a movie.
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Jynx
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:11 am Reply with quote
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I'm absolutely floored, Zodiac didn't at least break even? I was just looking at the movie list and saw it's budget of $85M and it took in $83M worldwide? Jeeeeeeeeeeez, even Reign Over Me made a tad more than it cost.

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mo_flixx
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:21 am Reply with quote
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Jynx wrote:
I'm absolutely floored, Zodiac didn't at least break even? I was just looking at the movie list and saw it's budget of $85M and it took in $83M worldwide? Jeeeeeeeeeeez, even Reign Over Me made a tad more than it cost.


In the ZODIAC extra's Vanderbilt, the writer/producer, explains why they made many deliberate choices which they knew would affect Box Office. They were motivated by presenting the story with integrity (presenting the victims with dignity) and with a somewhat unresolved ending. Fincher seems to have an unbelievable amt. of clout. He was able to instrument his preferences ultimately. I think the filmmaking team was entirely aware that they made choices which would make the film less than a flat out hit.

Some considerations:
they seemed to spend and reshoot A LOT; relatively not so gorey with a non-exploitative approach; a somewhat unresolved ending; heroes presented as "unheroic."
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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:24 am Reply with quote
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All of which combined to make Zodiac a great film rather than an exploitative box office bonanza. They may have lost the battle but in the long run (in other words, in the whole of cinema history) they have won the war. The movie's reputation will endure.
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Jynx
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:32 am Reply with quote
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Thanks Mo, I figured some of that went into the reasoning of a great picture not making great box office $$$. In as much as I loved/liked Yuma, Atonement, Juno and even I Am Legend, I don't understand how a people pass on such wonderful pieces of film.

Is it the story of "I know how that ended already?" Which is only to say the film world is fickle at best, Titanic put a big footprint on that statement ... as have many.

TWBB is an over-hyped mess, too long and too cliched, IMO. Individually, there were some masterful performances, brief and shining. When mixed together, it just didn't work for me.

Fickleness prevails. The older I get the more disappointed I am with most endings.

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lshap
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:49 pm Reply with quote
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Jynx,

We at least agree on TWBB. Less so on Zodiac.
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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:53 pm Reply with quote
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lshap wrote:
Jynx,

We at least agree on TWBB. Less so on Zodiac.


Lorne--You aren't a Zodiac fan? Surprised.
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ehle64
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:10 pm Reply with quote
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I rewatched it, Zodiac, for the first time last night and was completely riveted every moment. Probably sealed the deal for me.

Seeing Sweeney Todd and There Will Be Blood this week. Might make for a cheeky double feature!

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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:32 pm Reply with quote
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ehle64 wrote:
I rewatched it, Zodiac, for the first time last night and was completely riveted every moment. Probably sealed the deal for me.

Seeing Sweeney Todd and There Will Be Blood this week. Might make for a cheeky double feature!


I saw Zodiac in the theater twice the week it opened. I was amazed that it held up so well for a second time, almost better than the first time.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:55 pm Reply with quote
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Killer of Sheep, the great Charles Burnett film made in 1977 but released this year, is on Turner Classic Movies tonight at 8pm and 12:30am. It's followed by Burnett's not-great but still-interesting My Brother's Wedding. These movies are way beyond must-see for any film buff, especially Killer of Sheep, which actually beats any movie this year and almost any year.

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