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| Nancy |
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carrobin wrote: For a while, our professor included a porn movie in each semester, which was often skipped by some students but not many. I found them rather interesting, especially one that featured Gilbert & Sullivan songs. (I had invited along a friend who was into operetta, and she could never get through "Titwillow" again without giggling.)
What was the title of that one? |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:34 pm |
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| I was trying to remember the title of the G&S porn flick, but it was just too long ago. The only title I can remember is a Harry Reems movie we saw, "High Rise"--but that wasn't the G&S. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:53 pm |
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I saw a G&S karaoke Dvd for sale.
Apparently the only other copy in existence is nearly worn from overuse in the home of ______________. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:39 am |
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| Love in the Time of Cholera - Gabriel García Márquez fans -- and pretty much everyone else -- should avoid this stink bomb like the plague - Stephanie Zacharek. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:24 am |
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Zacharek on Nicole Kidman and plastic surgery. Good for Stephanie: she dares to confront the issue of the damage botox, collagen, nips, tucks, etc., can do.
Kidman is a nimble and sensitive performer, and it's clear she tackled this less-than-glamorous role pretty gingerly. But even though Kidman claims, in the current issue of Marie Claire, that she is "completely natural," there's no way around the question: What has she done to her face? The question of actors (men and women) and plastic surgery is a delicate one, but at this point, it's disingenuous to pretend not to notice any change.
Kidman's skin is, without a doubt, beautiful. But it has turned into her greatest limitation, a boundary beyond which she can't stretch. In one scene, the camera lingers on her face (she's gotten herself into a situation that she can't get out of) and we're left to concentrate, for too long, on the great effort it takes her to furrow her brow. She finally comes up with something -- two smooth little bumps between her eyebrows -- but the effort it cost her just couldn't have been worth it. It's terrible that anyone should have to age in Hollywood, given the cruelty of the industry, and of human beings in general: There's no getting around the pressures that performers face. But more and more actresses are choosing beauty over expressiveness, as if the two were mutually exclusive. If only there were a way to make them see that they're mutilating not just their faces but their talent. |
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| lshap |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:49 am |
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An excellent observation, but, sadly, irrelevant to an industry standard that employs the right look and box office draw, and then, only later, once the cameras are rolling, concerns itself with tawdry details like "expression".
I don't blame actresses for caving to this pressure of surgery in order to stay employable. It's sad and, for the truly talented, unnecessary, but I don't blame them. You try being stalked by paparazzi and scrutinized for each wrinkle and pound and see what it does to your psyche. |
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| lshap |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:51 am |
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Ghulam wrote: Love in the Time of Cholera - Gabriel García Márquez fans -- and pretty much everyone else -- should avoid this stink bomb like the plague - Stephanie Zacharek.
I've read some of his stuff. Always struck me as way too grand a scope to fit onto a screen. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:08 am |
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| It's bad enough for us ordinary women to cope with prejudices about aging and appearance--sometimes I think we kind of disappear, as far as men are concerned, when we reach 50 or so. For an actress, particularly one who is famed for her beauty, it must be a fearsome situation. The powers that be at the studios will turn their backs as soon as they see a wrinkle. Stupid, but that's the way it is. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:22 am |
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carrobin wrote: It's bad enough for us ordinary women to cope with prejudices about aging and appearance--sometimes I think we kind of disappear, as far as men are concerned, when we reach 50 or so.
Depends on the man. This is a borderline sexist statement. |
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| bart |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:36 am |
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| Actually, it's those young women with bland unlined faces that I find rather anonymous and dull. And I'm not the only dude who thinks this way. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:57 am |
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bart wrote: Actually, it's those young women with bland unlined faces that I find rather anonymous and dull. And I'm not the only dude who thinks this way.
I'm another. But make it "young or older women with bland unlined faces..." |
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| tirebiter |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:01 am |
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| carrobin: Did you say "ordinary"? You're anything but ordinary. You're a slinking jungle cat lithely padding toward your helpless prey, MAN! You're an enchanted glowing GODDESS who radiates a purity, a nobility, and yet also a feral and raw SENSUALITY so potent that even the Gods themselves kneel in humble and confused awe at your power. Ordinary? No, carrobin. You are not ordinary-- you are WOMAN! Unconquerable! Unquenchable! Frequently incomprehensible to your inferior in all things, man! We worship you, the absolute antithesis of the ordinary, the apotheosis of all things perfect: WOMAN! Specifically, CARROBIN! WOMAN SUPREME AMONG WOMEN! IO! IO! CARROBIN!!! |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:09 am |
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billyweeds wrote: Zacharek on Nicole Kidman and plastic surgery. Good for Stephanie: she dares to confront the issue of the damage botox, collagen, nips, tucks, etc., can do.
Yeah, well, what did she think about the movie? Ahhh, who cares after that insipid observation you quoted. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:28 am |
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ehle64 wrote: billyweeds wrote: Zacharek on Nicole Kidman and plastic surgery. Good for Stephanie: she dares to confront the issue of the damage botox, collagen, nips, tucks, etc., can do.
Even though you don't care, here's the summary:
"While The Squid and the Whale felt remote and excessively clever, Margot at the Wedding is just remote. I watched it certain that Baumbach wants us to feel great sympathy for these characters, even for the extremely unlikable (and obviously crackers) Margot.
But I just couldn't feel anything."
I still want very much to see it. |
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| Nancy |
| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:04 pm |
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bart wrote: Actually, it's those young women with bland unlined faces that I find rather anonymous and dull. And I'm not the only dude who thinks this way.
Good for you, bart. My feeling about wrinkles and grey hairs is that I've earned them. Why cover them up? |
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