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lady wakasa

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:43 am

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 5911 Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon

I haven't seen the movies that you guys are mentioning, so it's possible that I've just seen Hugh Grant's dreck. And it sounds like sometimes he's just in bad movies.

Sigh, another project... but I'm finishing Steven Chow first!!!

marantzo

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:43 am

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The mention of Demi Moore reminds me of something I wanted to say a while back. There was a discussion of how Demi would be turned on by that "old guy' Michael Douglas in Disclosure. First of all he wasn't a codger, he was 50 at most and rather attractive. Secondly and more importantly, wasn't she just setting him up anyway. I seem to remember that her passion was faked to further her scheme. Am I wrong about that.

billyweeds

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:33 am

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

marantzo wrote:

You're absolutely right about that, and moreover, Douglas was more legitimately attractive than Moore, who was plastic (on purpose for a change).

marantzo

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:37 am

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Thanks, Billy. I guess my mind hasn't gone completely.

billyweeds

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:47 am

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

marantzo wrote:

Thanks, Billy. I guess my mind hasn't gone completely.

Disclosure, incidentally, was a better movie than it was given credit for. Barry Levinson, who directed, was accused of slumming on the flick, but IMO he improved on the book considerably. It was one of Demi Moore's few decent performances--mainly because the character was conceived as superficial and shallow, something Moore does in her sleep. Douglas was very good in his role; Dylan Baker, Rosemary Forsyth, and Dennis Miller (!) provided good support; and the set design deserved an Oscar. That office space was such eye candy I almost wouldn't mind going to work there.

I saw the movie twice just for the set.

tirebiter

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:55 am

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 4011 Location: not far away

Demi's set was nice too.

Mr. Brownstone

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:59 am

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2450

Gary:

That was me.

"First of all he wasn't a codger, he was 50 at most and rather attractive."

Demi Moore was just over 30, smokin' hot and career-oriented upwardly mobile. If she's just looking to bang, she'd going to grab some hot guy, not a 50 year old who's "rather attractive."

I consider Douglas' appeal to be that of the everyman; sure he's not Dom DeLuise or Shemp, but he's not exactly Brad Pitt either.

My real point is if positions were reversed (I know, I know, the reversal of positions is the whole dang point of the movie), and we had a movie with Colin Farrell was banging... Laurie Metcalf, (not a perfect analogy, I know), I think audience members would have a difficult time accepting that, judging by the Sharon Stone conversation.

"Secondly and more importantly, wasn't she just setting him up anyway. I seem to remember that her passion was faked to further her scheme. Am I wrong about that."

She was setting him up. But she also used to date him, and made references to how hot it was back in the day - this is one of the tactics she uses to seduce him in the first place - 'don't you want to feel young again?'

So not only am I expected to believe that early 30s smokin' hard body Demi Moore's big career hostile takeover plan involves seducing and then fucking over middle management average family man Douglas, but that ten years prior (at least - how old is Douglas' kid?), when Demi Moore would have been right out of college and Douglas would have been 40 at the youngest, they had this superhot affair?

Plausible. But you're expecting me to really suspend a lot of disbelief that at 23-25 years old Demi Moore is banging 40-something middle management schlub Michael Douglas instead of NFL quarterbacks and Abercrombie & Fitch models, or at least Greek playboys with yachts.

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gromit

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:05 am

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9010 Location: Shanghai

Marantz, Mon Oncle uses two different palettes. A faded pastel for all of the traditional aspects (alot of blacks and natural earth tones). While the modern world is filled with bright whites, dull greys, or bright unnatural colors. The ultra-modern house is mostly drab (gleaming whites, cement grey, and metallic silvers), with the exception of some bright green oddly-shaped couches. Vivid colors crop up here and there in the modern world, demanding attention. The tri-color candy hues of the brand-new car (apple green, with a pink roof, and plum back end). The bright red plastic tubing, a distinctly modern product at the brother-in-law's new-tech factory. A red neon sign at a jazz club. Even the dachhund has a red coat.

The only red that I can recall in the older world of Hulot is the crumbling red brick wall. A lovely moment when Hulot accidentally knocks a brick off and stops to put it back on the decrepit structure. The old world might be crumbling away, but Hulot won't aid its disappearance. He likes things just the way they are.

marantzo

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:40 pm

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Quote:

Plausible. But you're expecting me to really suspend a lot of disbelief that at 23-25 years old Demi Moore is banging 40-something middle management schlub Michael Douglas instead of NFL quarterbacks and Abercrombie & Fitch models, or at least Greek playboys with yachts.

Boy, you really think that women are universally shallow. And as my contribution to this age difference thing should make it obvious, I don't have to suspend any disbelief about a twenty something male having an affair with a 30-40 something woman.

marantzo

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:42 pm

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Thanks, gromit. It was in the modern scenes that I remember the vivid colours.

Mr. Brownstone

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:49 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2450

"Boy, you really think that women are universally shallow."

Boy, you really misunderstood my point. Gary, we're not talking about just any chick, or even chicks in general. We're talking about Demi Moore's character in Disclosure, who is a heartless reptilian bitch who has sex for one of two reasons: A. To please herself physically 2. To climb up the social/corporate ladder.

She's banging either Marky Mark in that Calvin Klein ad, or some shipping magnate worth $679 trillion.

This isn't a statement about all women. That's ridiculous. If I were a woman, I'd be pissed if Demi Moore's character in Disclosure was the representative embodiment of all of womankind.

"And as my contribution to this age difference thing should make it obvious, I don't have to suspend any disbelief about a twenty something male having an affair with a 30-40 something woman."

A. You're not twenty-something, your picture's right there!
2. Me either. I'm not exactly unenlightened in the art of sexing up the over 35 crowd while barely being able to buy my own beer.

billyweeds

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:04 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

Tim and Gary--I understand both points of view, but Tim, you need to see Romancing the Stone and/or The China Syndrome again. Michael Douglas, back in the day, and this would be the day when his character in Disclosure was presumably banging Demi Moore, was pretty fuckin' smokin' hot himself. Check out the dance in the village square with Kathleen Turner in RTS for one of the sexiest sequences I can recall.

marantzo

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:13 pm

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A. You're not twenty-something, your picture's right there!

But I was once and I speak from my own experience. And you are right about Demi's character in the movie, but that's when she is already out of college for a decade or more and she only seduces him for advancement. When she dated him 10 years prior , she may very well have been much more innocent and not the bitch that she became. She could have been bright-eyed and romantic.

Mr. Brownstone

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:15 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2450

Man, he had jowls back in '84.

Also, in Romancing the Stone Douglas some sort of swashbuckling Indiana Jones type. Middle-management Disclosure Douglas, even one ten years younger, is at a serious disadvantage, and is not a serious contender to bed yummy, and very vulnerable and likeable and otherwise human Romancing the Stone Kathleen Turner, let alone heartless vampire Disclosure Demi Moore, even one ten years younger.

I'm just saying it's kind of funny that a crowd (and I'm not necessarily including you two in it) that wonders who the hell Sharon Stone is for acting like she's still 30 in Basic Instinct 2, finds it completely plausible that 50 year old Michael Douglas who is not a swashbuckler would be an object of desire/manipulation by boob-injected 32-year old Demi Moore.

Why wouldn't Demi Moore just fuck the head guy? "Yes! My nefarious plot has worked! I, the hottest woman in corporate America, have blown a moderately attractive 50 year old man, and now I have his job, and full control over... a bunch of stupid computer software!!!! Ahhh HAHAHAHAHA!!!"

Mr. Brownstone

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:21 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2450

Gary:

"When she dated him 10 years prior , she may very well have been much more innocent and not the bitch that she became. She could have been bright-eyed and romantic."

That's a good point. Although you'd think they'd then include some line where Douglas could look at her with disgust and bewilderment and disappointment and say, "Meredith... what happened to you...?

Then she could get all steely eyed and say something all steely, like she's the Darth Vader of the Seattle computer software industry.

That would be right in both of their wheelhouses, you would think.

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