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globear |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:18 pm |
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A STORY I JUST READ FROM CNN...I remember this actor well...an excellent character actor often playing THE gansta' and always doing it well...
NEW YORK (AP) -- Richard Bright, a character actor who appeared in all three "Godfather" movies and more recently on "The Sopranos," was struck and killed by a bus, police said.
Bright, 68, was hit by a private Academy Bus as he crossed the street at about 6:30 p.m. Saturday in his Manhattan neighborhood, police Detective Bernard Gifford said.
There were no arrests as of Sunday but police said the investigation was continuing. The bus driver told police he was not aware that he had hit anyone.
Bright played mob enforcer Al Neri in the "Godfather" movies, a bodyguard to the Corleone family patriarchs played by Marlon Brando and Al Pacino.
He played a con artist hustling Ali McGraw in 1972's "The Getaway" and acted in dozens of other films such as Sergio Leone's "Once Upon a Time in America" and "Looking for Mr. Goodbar" and in TV shows such as "Hill Street Blues."
"He always said it was the work that was the reward," said Brett Smiley, a friend and fellow actor.
Bright was arrested in 1965 on an obscenity charge for language he used in a San Francisco production of poet Michael McClure's two-person play "The Beard," which was shut down.
The American Civil Liberties Union took up the case and the charges against Bright were later dismissed in what was considered a precedent for artistic expression rights. |
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McBain |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:08 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I'd forgotten I'd mentioned him, and thought McBain was taking another swipe.
But McBain's comment as a rejoinder to me makes little sense to anyone who has been listening to me. I've never said Rush was funny and have on any number of occaisions pointed out how much I dislike him, so coming back to my comment about Stewart's piece not being funny with "well he's funnier than Rush" is not only beside the point, but carries with it the implication that I support Rush while disparaging Stewart.
Again, a fine example of something from my original post: making orthogonal arguments. My post was not a rejoinder or a swipe as Joe immediatly assumed, but simply a response to Joe's only relavent Rush assertion -- that The Daily Show specialized in Rush's brand of preaching to the converted. In response, I highlighted that the Daily Show often lampoons the foibles and frailties of "their side" while simultaneously and consistently hosting "the other side" as guests, two things Rush would never and has never done. |
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McBain |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:12 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote:
when in fact his diatribe was not at all specific, but a hazy "he doesn't deal with facts" post with a fleeting reference to rational design.
My examples were quite specific, you made statements about Valerie Plame or intelligent design that were clearly untrue.
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It's this twisting of the argument, which he is very good at by the way, that makes it impossible to really carry on a conversation with him. Because his real goal is to ridicule the opponent and through the ridicule to dimiss the other person. There is no mutual respect in a conversation with him. How that's okay with you is beyond me. It goes against your behavior in every other circumstance.
Given how many unusual assumptions and projections you've made in this conversation, its interesting that you would accuse me of twisting the argument. |
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McBain |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:39 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: And the National Review, of course, does provide news and not just opinion. Here's an example.
Let's return to my original statement.
McBain wrote: The National Review is primarily a clearing house for opinion writing and not hard reporting.
Does your link to a NRO story by Byron York wearing his reporter hat change anything about the veracity of my statement? Is there anyone out there that really disagrees with what I wrote? I believe most anyone would tell you that the primary mission of The National Review is the dissemination of conservative opinion. So maybe, rather, you should find an instance where I dismissed something they reported, and I was unable to find or didn't bother to respond with other corroborating sources. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:05 pm |
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And how does my pointing out that the magazine carries news stories in any way charge you with being untrue? I am simply showing that the paper does carry news items as well and so utilizing it as a news source is not an impossible thing to do. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:08 pm |
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Actually, you haven't disproved anything about Plame because the issue is whether either Novak or Libby were aware of Plame's undercover status. The fact that the CIA has finally announced she was still undercover does not establish either knew that. We don't know. We are unlikely to know.
In terms of my standing by the argument that she wasn't covert, it had not yet been established. Had it been, you would not have felt the need to post on the revelation of that info recently. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:10 pm |
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Quote: In response, I highlighted that the Daily Show often lampoons the foibles and frailties of "their side" while simultaneously and consistently hosting "the other side" as guests, two things Rush would never and has never done.
It does not "often" do this at all. It occaisionally does this. By and large, the satire is on Republicans. Rush has never had a person with an opposing viewpoint on his show? I believe you've even made comments about how he treats such people. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:15 pm |
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By the way, this was your post with it's "specific" comments:
Quote: Most of the time, I get upset at Joe because he says things that are factually incorrect that he could easily look up for himself (intelligent design for example). Many times, when he says something factually incorrect or illogical, its an oft repeated myth that could be fact checked rather easily. Joe isn't asked to say these things, he volunteers them in response to other posts. Also, there is the constant conflation of opinion writing versus reporting, when ascertaining the facts of any particular issue, and the argumentation of unrelated ideas (Q: "why would you care about a politician outside their policy? what would be the point of voting then?" A: "I didn't vote for Cheney")
It is to this post I responded.
Where are those specific comments. Hmm...don't see 'em.
In other words, I responded to a general post with a general response. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:18 pm |
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And, yeh, I thought you were digging at me with the Rush comment. Don't know why. Not like you haven't taken any potshots in the past that would cause me to read your posts in that light.  |
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McBain |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:30 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: And how does my pointing out that the magazine carries news stories in any way charge you with being untrue? I am simply showing that the paper does carry news items as well and so utilizing it as a news source is not an impossible thing to do.
But then, this isn't relavent to the specific problems we've had, unless you are thinking of a specific instance. |
_________________ A life, Jimmy. You know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come. |
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McBain |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:31 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I believe you've even made comments about how he treats such people.
Are we talking about callers or guests? And what have I commented, specifically? |
_________________ A life, Jimmy. You know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come. |
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Mr. Brownstone |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:35 pm |
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My favorite call-in moment was when some guy called Dan Savage a chickenhawk, and Savage went exactly that, screaming at full lung capacity into the microphone. He was so apoplectic they actually had to take a commercial break. |
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McBain |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:37 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Actually, you haven't disproved anything about Plame because the issue is whether either Novak or Libby were aware of Plame's undercover status. The fact that the CIA has finally announced she was still undercover does not establish either knew that. We don't know. We are unlikely to know.
In terms of my standing by the argument that she wasn't covert, it had not yet been established. Had it been, you would not have felt the need to post on the revelation of that info recently.
It was logically obvious based on the available information, and no journalist had disputed it. (CIA memo to Justice that started investigation, legal predicate for Fitzgerald, you've never directly addressed why this argument didn't work) |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:42 pm |
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Logically obvious? The CIA claimed no damage occurred as a result of the leak, she'd been based in DC for quite some time, and her position was often referred to as an "open secret." None of which sounds terrible covert to me. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:42 pm |
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McBain wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: I believe you've even made comments about how he treats such people.
Are we talking about callers or guests? And what have I commented, specifically?
You claimed he cut people's mikes off when they didn't agree with him. |
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