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marantzo
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:24 pm Reply with quote
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Oh yeah, I forgot that ehle was the moderator. Good job ehle.
yambu
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:39 pm Reply with quote
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Marc wrote:
......I am reading a biography of McCarthy right now and he was a fascinatingly complex and warped man.......
Title and author?
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yambu
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:50 pm Reply with quote
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FWIW:
".... By the time famed CBS newsman Edward R. Murrow's highly critical "Report on Joseph R. McCarthy" aired on March 9, 1954, McCarthy's public support had all but withered...." - Wikipedia
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Mr. Brownstone
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:53 pm Reply with quote
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Ehle:

Duly noted. Sorry for the disrespect to the group. My apologies.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:21 pm Reply with quote
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The Warriors was always a great movie. Now it gets a deluxe DVD edition and a good Salon.com article celebrates its arrival.

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yambu
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:31 pm Reply with quote
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Here's that entire Welch/McCarthy exchange that Billy was talking about:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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ehle64
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:41 pm Reply with quote
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Forgot to mention that on Thanksgiving Day we watched Charlie & The Chocolate Factory. I'm a huge fan of the original film and so was a bit trepidatious going in, but I love Johnny Depp and am a fan of Tim Burton's movies. From the moment you see the twisted Warner Bros. logo and hear the first strings of the Danny Elfman score, you know you're in for a ride in a strange world. I wasn't disappointed at all, in fact I was rather entertained. All of the kids were great, my favorite being Augustus Gloop. Much has been said of Johnny Depp's resemblance to Michael Jackson and I just didn't see it after about 5 minutes of relishing in his twisted performance. The guy's great and I hope he and Burton continue to collaborate for years to come. Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Ichabod Crane and now Willy Wonka!

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Earl
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:20 pm Reply with quote
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ehle64 wrote:
[Depp is] great and I hope he and Burton continue to collaborate for years to come. Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Ichabod Crane and now Willy Wonka!


And Corpse Bride, too, which costars Helena Bonham Carter, who was also in Charlie & the Chocolate Factory, which (I agree with you) was quite enjoyable.

Does Tim Burton have a thing about an eye popping out of its socket? One of the robots in the opening number (the routine outside the factory right before everyone went in) had its eye pop out when it exploded. Then I see the previews for Corpse Bride and there's a scene in which the same thing happens to the Bride. She laughs nervously while popping it back in. I hope to see Corpse Bride before it leaves theaters.

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ehle64
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:08 pm Reply with quote
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I loved that whole scene! Even before the one doll/puppet caught fire, I said those things are scary looking!

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Shane
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I second all the praise above!!!!!!
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billyweeds
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I was very surprised by the fact that I liked Last Days quite a bit. It's apparently the third in a trilogy including Gerry and Elephant, neither of which I liked at all. They were boring in the extreme and had nothing of interest to say to me. However, the almost completely silent moodiness of Last Days not only fits the subject matter perfectly, it provides more profundity than a great deal of dialogue could have done.

The most interesting aspect of the movie for me, however, was the fact that on several occasions it made me laugh out loud. The absurd moments were seriously screwball (the Yellow Pages salesman, the Seventh Day Adventists, the Ricky Jay scene in the car). Michael Pitt was also very funny in a wildly black way.

A strange, memorable, and very fine film.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:23 am Reply with quote
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Ughh. Why don't directors leave well enough alone? The Warriors has been altered for the DVD version. Now it opens with a comic book page detailing the Greek history it comes from, followed by the line "Sometime in the future..." (which makes no sense, as the telephones, etc. seen in the background don't even exist anymore) and throughout the movie will freeze, turn into a comic book illustration, and swish pan to the next scene (in the original, the image would freeze frame, but then dissolve into the next scene).

I guess it comes down to both the infamy of the movie sparking gang riots at showings, and maybe the heavy influence on rap music (only Scarface has been quoted more times in rap lyrics) makes the producers fear it might still inspire violence. The changes don't hinder the movie too much, but they're unnecessary. I hope at some point there might be another release containing both versions.

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ehle64
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:26 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
I was very surprised by the fact that I liked Last Days quite a bit. It's apparently the third in a trilogy including Gerry and Elephant, neither of which I liked at all. They were boring in the extreme and had nothing of interest to say to me. However, the almost completely silent moodiness of Last Days not only fits the subject matter perfectly, it provides more profundity than a great deal of dialogue could have done.

The most interesting aspect of the movie for me, however, was the fact that on several occasions it made me laugh out loud. The absurd moments were seriously screwball (the Yellow Pages salesman, the Seventh Day Adventists, the Ricky Jay scene in the car). Michael Pitt was also very funny in a wildly black way.

A strange, memorable, and very fine film.


Cool. I'm so relieved to read this. We were laughing hysterically during the Yellow Pages guy scene. As I loved both Gerry and Elephant, it's great to see that someone who didn't could appreciate this film.

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Marc
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:17 am Reply with quote
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Joe,

I agree with you on THE WARRIORS. Walter Hill should have left well enough alone.

The original THE WARRIORS was released on DVD a few years ago. There are used copies available but they are not cheap.

The guy who plays the evil little gang guy ("warriors come out and play")
is a friend of mine, David Patrick Kelly. David and I used to hang at CBGBs. He was in a punk band.

I was involved in providing some of the clothing for the movie. Back in the late '70s and early '80s I owned a clothing business. Mostly punk and '60s stuff.
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Marc
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:24 am Reply with quote
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yambu, the book on McCarthy I'm reading is "A Conspiracy So Immense: The World Of Joe McCarthy" by David M. Oshinsky. Its an incredibly well-researched and rivetting read.
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