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| yambu |
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billyweeds wrote: .....Does anyone think he suspected McCarthy might pull that Fred Fisher stunt and had the speech ready?...... |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:17 pm |
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| I always thought that the "Have you no shame?" speech was spontaneously provoked by McCarthy's wild and over the board charges against Fisher/Army. It is possible however that Welch was just waiting for such an opportunity. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:26 pm |
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Ghulam wrote: I always thought that the "Have you no shame?" speech was spontaneously provoked by McCarthy's wild and over the board charges against Fisher/Army. It is possible however that Welch was just waiting for such an opportunity.
In my younger days I believed implicitly that Welch's eloquence was all pure ad lib. Maybe it was, but now I'm more savvy and suspect it may have been planned. No matter, like I said: it's still a speech for the ages. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:51 pm |
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| My father believed that false information about Fisher was put in McCarthy's way, as bait, so that Welch could have his shining moment. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:05 pm |
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| Yambu, what was your Dad's politics, if I may ask? |
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| lshap |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:11 pm |
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Quote: Now it's time for Last Days (after a trashy vacation with Return to Peyton Place and The Grudge.
Sure, suck up to the moderator. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:14 pm |
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He was way out to the right. He was an FBI agent in NY for 25 yrs, assigned for awhile to the espionage desk, monitoring the Russian UN staff and the Communist Party of America. He revered J. Edgar Hoover as a saint.
While he may have been extreme, we would not still be talking about the McCarthy era if millions didn't think like him.
Just to put one thing in context: Josef Stalin, in the late '40's, did decree that communist organizations worldwide would henceforth take their orders from Moscow. How that played out here, I don't know. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:18 pm |
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| The Grudge is nothing but a collection of scary moments, but at least a lot of them are truly scary as opposed to boring, which a lot of "scary" movies are. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:41 pm |
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| But Ike, to his credit, did keep his distance from McCarthy. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:55 pm |
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| I felt somewhat sorry for McCarthy. He was a truly tragic figure. He drank himself to death. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:14 pm |
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| Was he the exploiter of an hysterical time, or its victim? Could he have been both? This is the question re our Iraq involvement that we should be asking ourselves daily, about every single person who voices an opinion on it, from Bush down to us. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:17 pm |
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| There's a third choice, of course - that of the even-handed elucidator. I don't see many of those nowadays. |
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| Mr. Brownstone |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:32 pm |
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McCarthy willingly and knowingly attempted to ruin the lives of Americans whose greatests crime was attending a meeting.
Fuck him dead. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:00 am |
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| McCarthy was a fraud and a destroyer of people for his own ambitions. If anyone deserved to die from his excesses, it was he. And it's a nice irony that his lap dog Roy Cohn did the same. Maybe there is a God? |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:21 am |
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Quote: McCarthy willingly and knowingly attempted to ruin the lives of Americans whose greatests crime was attending a meeting.
Fuck him dead.
Quote: McCarthy was a fraud and a destroyer of people for his own ambitions. If anyone deserved to die from his excesses, it was he. And it's a nice irony that his lap dog Roy Cohn did the same. Maybe there is a God?
McCarthyism is alive and well. |
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