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| tirebiter |
 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:22 am |
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| Joe McCarthy is buried in Appleton, Wisconsin. It's also the home of Lawrence University, where my wife went to college. When Frank Zappa played the school in about 1972, he invited the audience to join him after the performance to go out to the cemetary to piss on McCarthy's grave. I understand it was quite a successful evening. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:34 am |
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| I hate musicians as demagogues. If you think your music isn't enough to validate you, then stay off the road. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:39 am |
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| Overstated. It's fine that a musician uses the stage as a pulpit. It's the kissing up to a non-controversial issue that stinks. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:40 am |
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I had Zappa's Baby Snakes (1979) on the other night, but was mostly doing other things while it was playing. It's primarily a concert film of a Zappa Halloween show, but also includes some fine claymation, as well as behind the scenes silliness. Zappa was an interesting character, but I find his sense of humor too silly for my taste. And alot of his music seems infected with silliness and too much of a put-on for me to enjoy. I much prefer Captain Beefheart whose music is more challenging and quirkiness I appreciate alot more.
Way back in time,a young Zappa and Don Van Vliet went out to the desert and attempted to make a movie entitled Captain Beefheart Meets the Grunt People. The project fell thru, but Zappa's nickname for his friend stuck. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:42 am |
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| I liked the first two MOTHERS OF INVENTION albums. After that, Zappa disappeared up his own pretentious asshole. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:43 am |
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Quote: Overstated. It's fine that a musician uses the stage as a pulpit. It's the kissing up to a non-controversial issue that stinks.
I disagree with him, but Nugent certainly swims against the current. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:10 am |
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| I agree with the negative assessments of McCarthy here, but Zappa pissing on his grave is such a boring concept: wow, you get that McCarthy stood for bad things, how radical of you to stand against him...twenty years after the fact. |
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| tirebiter |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:54 am |
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| What the f**k? You're knocking Zappa for standing up and reminding people JM was an asshole? McCarthy is still around, being lionized on a daily basis by Ann Coulter and a host of right-wing zealots who support his tactics today. Political theatre has impact, and Zappa put his money where his mouth was, spending his last decade on the planet testifying before Congress against the pro-censorship PMRC run by Tipper Gore and other Capitol Hill wives, and registering tens of thousands of people for the vote. Like his music or not (and I'd maintain that the stuff he did between 1966 and 1971 is some of the best music anywhere), he stood up and made his views known. I respect that. |
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| Mr. Brownstone |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:08 am |
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Yam:
I appreciate your clarification. Your second post is something I can get behind; your first had me seeing red.
Marc:
I don't get it. Are you insinuating that Gary and I are somehow ironically in lockstep with some sort of ideological view that is the equivalent of modern McCarthyism?
A little cryptic for me, bro. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:46 am |
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Marc wrote: Quote: McCarthy willingly and knowingly attempted to ruin the lives of Americans whose greatests crime was attending a meeting.
Fuck him dead. Quote: McCarthy was a fraud and a destroyer of people for his own ambitions. If anyone deserved to die from his excesses, it was he. And it's a nice irony that his lap dog Roy Cohn did the same. Maybe there is a God?
McCarthyism is alive and well.
To equate despising the demagogue wannabe McCarthy with McCarthyism is complete, utter, total bullshit. |
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| Mr. Brownstone |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:14 am |
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Billy:
That was sort of my initial reaction, but Marc's response was so cryptic I have to give him an opportunity to clarify.
And considering some of the histrionic things marc has written regarding our current president, to take a fairly innocuous statement regarding one of the most offensive representatives of our government who more than symbolizes or emobodies a shameful chapter of our recent history as near-fascism is wholly without perspective or self-reflection.
Also, while I respect the Nuge's contrarian views and his protection of his family from the embarrassingly recurrent pitfalls of rock superstardom, the guy is a massive dickhead; thinking you're a tough guy because you wave guns at other rock stars (Sebastian Bach) or shoot with a crossbow animals restricted to your own private grounds whikle presenting yourself as some sort of rugged pull yourself up by yourt bootstraps nature n' freedom loving American makes you an asshole. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:22 am |
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| Tim--I have met Ted Nugent a couple of times, and, yes, he's an dickhead. But as charismatic a dickhead as I've ever encountered. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:23 am |
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| "a dickhead," not "an dickhead." I have not suddenly gone all English lit on you. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:25 am |
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Considering some of the histrionic things marc has written regarding our current president, (his comment) is wholly without perspective or self-reflection.
Truer (edited) words were never spoken. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:42 am |
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| I'm waiting for the director's cut of The Kingdom Of Heaven before watching it again. I feel the film would be more coherent with some additional scenes to smooth out Orlando Bloom's character arc and jarring jumps in the narrative. |
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