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| yambu |
 Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:19 am |
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| Wooo! I can't remember the discussion here about The Edukators, but it's a great ride. Long. It's a love triangle, a comedy, and an anti-global revolutionary treatise. It doesn't allow you to get too attached to any of these three themes. It has an offbeat premise that I won't spoil for you. I wish I knew the music credits for the end - the same that was used so effectively in two episodes of West Wing. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:00 am |
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The Last Detail was available here about 6 months ago. I skipped it, mostly because it looked 2nd rate, at least judging by the gay looking Jack on the cover. Three months later, some peeps here were giving it praise. I missed the boat on that one.
Last Tango in Paris bored me more thoroughly and profoundly than any other film in memory. Watching it, I felt as though I was a lobotomy patient, post-operation. Did an actual person direct that, or did the camera somehow direct itself? |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:29 am |
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gromit wrote: judging by the gay looking Jack on the cover.
what an a__hole. |
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| bocce |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:46 am |
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gromit wrote: Thought Save the Tiger was irredeemably 1970's. A paint-by-the-numbers script full of clunky dialogue. Moved from one scene to the next like a TV show. A few scenes were embarrassingly bad, just screaming out for a re-write (or a creative idea)
Jack Lemmon was good, but not much more.
Anyway, it's a reasonably boring, unreasonably formulaic film. Not recommended.
gromit wrote: Last Tango in Paris bored me more thoroughly and profoundly than any other film in memory.
boy, we certainly have differing tastes in film. but i guess that's what makes horse racing...
i can see where the slight staginess and slow pace of STT might be off putting. but to say lemmon is merely good in a role that plays off the panalopy of emotion and plumbs the depth of several baffles me.
perhaps LAST TANGO doesn't hold up too well with today's audience who are so inured to casual sex that bertolucci's 1972 exploration of sex vis a vis intimacy no longer has much punch. again the intentional stagey feel and langourous pace are not going to hold an audience weaned on action thrillers and kung fu spectaculars.
both films are reflective musings, an activity not ordinarily associated with a lot of zip. i liked this aspect. sorry you didn't. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:19 am |
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Yeah, ehle would make a good moderator . . . if you want a mini-Marc in charge. Maybe the position should be re-titled Immoderator, to match the talents here.
Seriously ehle, a good deal of your posts, especially of late, are just useless dead-end posts. Post whatever you like, of course, but you are seriously off your game the last few months. Seen any good films???
If a post or an opinion offends you, better to bring that up than attack the poster. In any case, I realized my shorthand might not go down too well with some. So be it.
Take a look at the Dvd cover of The Last Detail. Navy guy Jack with his shirt off and a somewhat cheesy moustache. What does that tell you? From that cover, I don't get much of an impression of what the film is about. Not sure what mood is being conveyed. So I guessed that the movie was an unfocused or unsuccessful B pic, like a good number of best-forgotten early 70's flicks.
Tell me that cover doesn't give off a homoerotic vibe. Actually if it truly was an early 70's Jack in a gay role, I'd probably snatch it right up. That'd be something to see.
But I still think it is a cheesy looking cover
with a gay-looking Jack.
Now maybe it sounds shallow to judge a film by its dvd cover -- as Bo Diddley always warns against -- but when I go to a Dvd shop, I usually flip through up to 2,000 randomly arranged titles in under an hour. For interesting films, I might glance at the back cover info (love it when they copy crappy reviews from IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes).
Some titles I write down and check out on the Net, or ask about here. I often think that if they can't even make the dvd cover look interesting, the film must really suck. Far from a perfect system, but it serves me reasonably well.
Anyway, sorry if any offense. I ain't got no beef with you, Madonna-boy. [Hey, he called me an ... a nt hole?!?] |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:36 am |
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Quote: both films are reflective musings, an activity not ordinarily associated with a lot of zip. i liked this aspect. sorry you didn't.
Bocce, I tend not to like very slow-paced films, or highly edited action films. Exceptions occur, of course. I guess I tread more in the middle ground.
I really thought Save The Tiger had a weak script. The baseball and war memories seemed awfully forced (and relatively uninteresting). There were 3 or 4 moments in the film where I guffawed. Alot of cliched goings-on. For instance, when Jack Lemmon is leaning on the outfield fence watching the kids play baseball, I thought -- "Okay, here's the part where the ball bounces next to him." And then it does, and he throws it back. Hokey and predictable. The poor script made it hard for me to appreciate Jack Lemmon's acting. There were two scenes in which I thought he shined. One made me think of Burt Reynolds in Boogie Nights. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:43 am |
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| "What an arthole?" |
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| tirebiter |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:47 am |
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| Marilyn |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:48 am |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:40 pm |
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gromit wrote: "What an arthole?"
I'm sorry you're disappointed with my posts of late. The a__hole thing is a holdover from the other place. It's usually said half-jokingly. However you choose to view me, as a mini-Marc (complimentary in my estimation), or as a boring poster, well, that's up to you. As far as the moderator thingy goes, you're absolutely right. I have no business with any type of position in a place that so clearly doesn't like me. |
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| Marilyn |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:43 pm |
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| bocce |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:41 pm |
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i'll stick with GHULAM (not that i have anything against the other candidates)....
he pisses no one off and doesn't seem to be pissed off (or appear to be piss offable, for that matter). he's media savvy both in current and past cinema yet has no agenda and is willing and eager to try new stuff. his opinions are always well thought out even when i don't agree (ie. robert mitchum as one dimmensional). plus, he has the time being retired.
in short, ghulam has knowledge and integrity without any baggage. i trust him, you should, too. DRAFT GHULAM FARUKI FOR MODERATOR!!!
paid for by the ghulam for moderator PAC... |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:09 pm |
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| Thanks for your confidence, Bocce, but since proven talent as a moderator is important, I am still holding out for one of the three I had mentioned, namely Censored, Lady W, or Marilyn. |
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| bocce |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:27 pm |
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ghulam...
i could go for lady wakasa who shares many of your virtues.
i'm fond of both censored and marilyn (even tho she misunderstands and abuses me unmercifully) but i'm afraid that as qualified as they may be that there is some extra baggage both carry which might make them less than impartial should some personality clash get out of hand. the same could be said of me as well. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:46 pm |
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ehle64 wrote: gromit wrote: judging by the gay looking Jack on the cover.
You're so bizarrely inconsistent, Ehle. |
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