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merlot
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:22 pm Reply with quote
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Wow, you step away from the Catholic Church for about 3 decades and everything goes to Hell in a handbasket! Altar girls!


M.aybe a good idea considering the charges the Church has been fighting of late.
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sioux
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:57 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 802 Location: philly burbs
I was raised half-Catholic, half-Protestant, which is why I've known since a young age the dictionary definition of catholic. In my Protestant church we recited the Apostle's creed - "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting." So also, we learned the non "Catholic" definition of catholic quite early.
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yambu
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:24 pm Reply with quote
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So, Souix, you're half Episcopalian, right?
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yambu
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:48 pm Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
....In fact, the Church only became the Catholic Church after the Protestant Reformation. Before that, though the term "catholic" was used to signify universality, it was not a proper name.
The term was used in several senses very early on. In the Third Century, St. Cyprian was using Catholic and Roman interchangeably. For an exhaustive treatment of this, and I was exhausted after a few paragraphs, look at the Catholic Encyclopedia at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/.
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yambu
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:51 pm Reply with quote
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merlot wrote:
Wow, you step away from the Catholic Church for about 3 decades and everything goes to Hell in a handbasket! Altar girls!.....
LMAO!
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sioux
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:39 pm Reply with quote
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yambu - no - Presbyterian.
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Melody
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:53 pm Reply with quote
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Methodists recite the Apostles Creed also. I never understand what it meant -- "[I believe in] the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints..." I never asked the question because I didn't want an hour-long lecture, during which I would nod politely, and after which I still wouldn't get it.

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Rod
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:40 am Reply with quote
Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 2944 Location: Lithgow, Australia
From The London Times...

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Bob Dylan to be played by six men and a woman by John Harlow

THE ENIGMATIC singer Bob Dylan has finally given permission to a Hollywood studio to make a film about his life. He will be portrayed by seven actors — one of them a black woman.
Todd Haynes, the Oscar-nominated director, confirmed last week that he is searching for a woman who can do justice to the short white Jewish singer’s “inner blackness”.

The seven will play Dylan during different eras in his 43-year career, starting in the 1960s when his song The Times They Are A-Changin’ became an anti-war anthem.

It is traditional in films spanning a lifetime for characters to be played by more than one actor, but rarer for them to change sex or race. Haynes is considering actresses ranging from the pop singer Beyoncé Knowles to the tennis champion Venus Williams and the television presenter Oprah Winfrey.

Haynes has built his reputation on being different: his first film, about the life of the anorexic singer Karen Carpenter, had a cast of Barbie dolls.

He made his name with Velvet Goldmine, in which Ewan McGregor played a gender-bending rocker, before going on to receive an Oscar nomination for screenwriting for his 2002 film Far from Heaven.

Last week the 44-year-old director said Dylan was “too complex” to be played by a conventional actor. “I am setting out to explode the idea that anybody can be depicted in a single self,” he explained.

He said that Dylan, who has rejected many other offers, had approved this project because of its unconventional casting. Costing £30m, the film is due for release next year under the title I’m Not There: Suppositions on a Film Concerning Dylan.

Paramount, the producers, are not totally convinced. An executive said: “Dylan has always acknowledged his debt to blues and gospel, but critics may say there are other ways of celebrating the African-American musical heritage. Todd is, however, a serious film maker and we are confident that he will treat it all with respect. We hope.”

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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:50 am Reply with quote
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That Dylan movie sounds horrible. Horrible. But anything can happen; he might make it work.
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tirebiter
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:18 am Reply with quote
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Casting on my film bio is nearly complete. Dakota Fanning will play the "Young Tirebiter," and we're signing (fingers crossed!) Country legend Merle Haggard to play "Adolescent Tirebiter." Gary Coleman is slated to play "Rebellious Youth Tirebiter" (though his management is holding out for more than $350 for six weeks of shooting, plus lunches) and then we're into "Adult Tirebiter" to be portrayed by Gilbert Gottfried. "Middle Years Tirebiter" is to be limned by the dynamic Martha Raye-- though dead, we feel that only she can capture my gravitas and my impish charm. And finally, my agents are setting up another meet with billyweeds' lawyers to see if he'll play "Doddering Tirebiter." So far, his unreasonable demands for money-- any money at all-- have been a deal-breaker.
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jeremy
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:01 am Reply with quote
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 6794 Location: Derby, England and Hamilton, New Zealand (yes they are about 12,000 miles apart)
Biopics of living people or those whose achievements have yet to be viewed from a historical perspective are usually hopelessly unedifying, they either tread too softly or are made written and made by fanboys. Most biopics are so busy being about someone they forget to be about something.

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marantzo
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:48 am Reply with quote
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That Dylan picture sounds like it could be so horrid that it could become a cult classic. I'm not convinced that the article isn't a spoof. Look at the Black women they are considering. I also suspect that Bobby has gone a little bit around the bend. He seems to have lost his great sense of humour and it's been replaced by spiritual mumbo jumbo 101.
tirebiter
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:19 am Reply with quote
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Not so, marantz. He's laughing at you. He's laughing at all of us.

He's having a swell time.
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merlot
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:04 am Reply with quote
Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 210 Location: Cinci
Ron - How can ANY article on Todd Haynes talk about his movies and NOT MENTION Safe ???

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merlot
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:05 am Reply with quote
Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 210 Location: Cinci
umm - that would be addressed properly to ROD.

M. going away now
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