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Syd
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:03 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
I vaguely remember hearing about it a while back.
Will try to find it.
Do any of the extras help clarify the relationships?
Or maybe the viewer is supposed to be immersed in one big sloppy extended family.



I recorded it off TCM, so probably a more user friendly recording exists.

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Syd
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:49 pm Reply with quote
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duplicate post.

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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:49 pm Reply with quote
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2010: The Year We Make Contact is pretty much a dull slog.
If you take your time and think about it, you can see the interesting concept that Arthur C. Clarke came up with. Jupiter is about to graduate from gas giant into a star. And it has its own mini-solar system and within that Europa is poised to be the mini-Earth. Kind of a cool premise.

Unfortunately it gets larded down with Roy Scheider trying to be macho and hip; Cold War drama centered around a new Cuban Missile Crisis in Honduras; and a trio of the worst US astronauts possible.

Scheider is supposed to be a brilliant aerospace engineer, with a young accomplished marine biologist wife with a dolphin swimming pool in their living room. All ready your bs-meter should be warming up. Then great scientist Scheider, based on really nothing, is convinced that the monolith near Jupiter is intelligent and guiding events (and despite NASA having a smaller monolith from the moon which seems do to nothing). It's all gut feeling with Scheider, just the way scientists are trained to behave.

The engineer astronaut is afraid of heights and not brave and apparently received zero training. And the other astronaut is the IT tech who built HAL and no one trusts. Quite a team of idiots, and they have to deal with a crew of Russkies, which has limited to no pay-off. The vo narration was lazy and useless.

I don't think there was anything I liked about the film except the skeleton premise, which I largely had to tease out and understand on my own, and Strauss' Zarathustra anthem, which they simply swiped from the first film.
Otherwise the sound design was irritating, with lots of repetitive grating noises and sirens and such.


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Syd
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:25 pm Reply with quote
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The monolith on the Moon was built to signal the one orbiting Jupiter that we had achieved space travel. I don't remember it having any other purpose. Maybe it also warped Heywood Floyd's mind since he was standing next to it when it signaled.

It could have been worse. He could have started building models of Devil's Tower out of mashed potatoes.

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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:08 am Reply with quote
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Scheider's character spends a lot of time starting sentences with:

"What if ..."
&
"I know it sounds crazy but ..."

He's more of a conspiracy theorist than a scientist.

They do show moments where he gets to act smart (reading and understanding data very quickly) and where he's right (don't send a manned pod to the monolith). To try to persuade us that he knows what he's doing and is right.

But just the way he leaps to conclusions without the use of facts or careful inferences is silly and annoying.

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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:53 pm Reply with quote
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bartist wrote:
A beautiful homage to Wm Carlos Wms, an eloquent slice of life in the week of a bus driver (played by Adam Driver, which is the sort of odd synchronicity that the whole film is laced with) and poet. Seasoned with humor (the Brussells sprouts pie scene, with the kind and diplomatic husband, got belly laughs here) (ditto the lovelorn actor in the bar) and the sort of realism that illuminates quotidian moments. And, like a flaw in nice leather, one or two spectacularly implausible events to provoke thought without causing any fatal ejection from the flow of the narrative. "Paterson" gets my vote. I didn't know both Ginsberg and Williams were from that town. The concept of twins, of dualities, seems deeply ingrained in the film - the twins that Laura dreams of birthing, two poets, two comedians (Abbot and Costello), and sets of grown identical twins everywhere you look. Will probably watch this film again, in a couple years, with great pleasure.

Cellphone holdouts will love it. "I don't want to be on a leash."

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