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carrobin
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:12 am Reply with quote
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It's been Richard Burton week on TCM, and they just showed one of his films I've always wanted to see--"Staircase," with him and Rex Harrison as a gay couple in 1969 London. Ben Mankiewicz said that it had been a big hit on the London stage, and Stanley Donen had snapped up the film option; when Rex and Richard signed on, it became a multimillion-dollar project, which everyone expected to be a blockbuster. But it wasn't very well marketed, and even the gays avoided it. Which isn't surprising--it's a rather sorry little domestic drama with some clever lines and good performances, but with some uncomfortable scenes (Cathleen Nesbit is Burton's mother, bedridden and needy). And Burton spends most of the film with his head bandaged because of a skin condition (I think that was supposed to be amusing, but it wasn't), although Harrison is still handsome and proud that he's made a TV commercial for overcoats. The neighborhood is dismal and drab, as are the other people that occasionally wander through (the play had only the two characters--I assume the mother was offstage). Harrison is summoned to court because he'd been seen in women's clothes, which is the crisis they're anticipating anxiously, but the film ends as he sets out for his trial, so we don't know if he pulled himself together and explained that he'd been showing off an old cabaret act for a friend. The relationship between them is often moving, but the characters themselves weren't particularly compelling--I think it might actually have been a better film if the actors hadn't been well-known movie stars. The film certainly isn't the "light comedy" the studio had expected, and I think Donen's "kitchen-sink reality" style destroyed the comic possibilities that probably made the stage version successful. But I'm glad I finally saw it, after all these years.
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Syd
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:55 pm Reply with quote
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I can't help noticing rewatching "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" that one of the few major characters not named Nolan is being played by Lloyd Nolan. It appears that the only other film of his I've seen from his long career is "Hannah and Her Sisters." He played Hannah's father and died while the film was being made. I also remember him as Diahann Carroll's boss in the 60s TV Series "Julia," which was notable because it starred a black woman who wasn't playing a maid, but wasn't that memorable a series (though I remember Nolan, which is something).

I also notice that although James Dunn won an Oscar, there are at least three performances in the film I like better, including Dorothy McGuire's.

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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:08 pm Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
I can't help noticing rewatching "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" that one of the few major characters not named Nolan is being played by Lloyd Nolan. It appears that the only other film of his I've seen from his long career is "Hannah and Her Sisters." He played Hannah's father and died while the film was being made. I also remember him as Diahann Carroll's boss in the 60s TV Series "Julia," which was notable because it starred a black woman who wasn't playing a maid, but wasn't that memorable a series (though I remember Nolan, which is something).

I also notice that although James Dunn won an Oscar, there are at least three performances in the film I like better, including Dorothy McGuire's.


You should try to see Peyton Place, in which Lloyd Nolan is very good in a fairly cliched role. The movie is remarkably well done; it's a glossy soap, but one øf the best of that genre, and the musical score by Franz Waxman is gorgeous.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:48 am Reply with quote
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Saw Midnight in Paris; enjoyed it enough despite my dislike of movies where the life lesson learned by the protagonist is spelled out for the audience in a nice long pat speech at the end. Also, near the end I realize that the reason I was waiting for Owen Wilson to say of Michael Sheen's character, "What I wouldn't give for a large sock with manure in it" was because Owen Wilson was essentially doing an impression of Woody Allen as a goy.

About a third of the way through I had the same epiphany from a throw away line ("That was Djuna Barnes? No wonder she wanted to lead.") that I had in Shakespeare in Love, when the urchin feeding live mice to cats told Shakespeare his name was John Webster: I think I am the movie's target audience.

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gromit
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:00 pm Reply with quote
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The past week, I've been rewatching a bunch of 30's and 40's films, mostly Katherine Hepburns and Cary Grants.
I was mostly neutral about Bringing Up Baby.
Fell asleep to Philadelphia Story and didn't bother to finish it.
Didn't care much for Woman of the Year, the first pairing of Hepburn and Tracy. But did appreciate a fair amount of Hepburn in it. And the period clips of baseball and football were interesting.

The Shop Around the Corner had some nice touches, but was also a bit tiresome and obvious where it was headed. A bit too much Jimmy Stewart for me.

Meet John Doe is pretty great. Really sucks you in and Stanwyck is quite good. There are a few scattered weak scenes but they tend to be rather brief. Easily the best of the bunch.

And I don't think I ever watched Talk of the Town before. It's pretty good. It starts off like something out of Fugitive From a Chain Gang, and Cary Grant seems to be a bad man on the wrong side of the law. Jean Arthur is quite good at zany comedy when things turn into screwball territory. I like her voice. It's a bit long and at times uneven, but also a fun romp. And it wasn't always clear where it was heading. The law debates and then the roel reversal was pretty well done. Drops right into #2 of this batch of old Hollywood I'm plowing through.

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carrobin
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:43 pm Reply with quote
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TCM was showing some Tracy/Hepburn movies a couple of weeks ago, and I couldn't remember if I'd seen "Without Love." Turns out I'd seen parts of it, but never from the beginning, in which Tracy, in a cab searching for a place to stay in wartime Washington, encounters an amiable drunk who greets Tracy's barking dog with "Are you the dog I know?" I liked that line and stuck with the movie, which is a sweetly unusual love story. Lucille Ball livens things up occasionally, as the amiable drunk's impatient girlfriend.

Love "Philadelphia Story," especially the scene in which drunken James Stewart has the heart-to-heart talk with bemused Cary Grant. And I first saw "Talk of the Town" back when our South Carolina TV station ran old movies, and find it a charmer every time. Still, only Hitchcock could make me believe Cary Grant was a fugitive from the law.
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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:52 pm Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
The past week, I've been rewatching a bunch of 30's and 40's films, mostly Katherine Hepburns and Cary Grants.
I was mostly neutral about Bringing Up Baby.
Fell asleep to Philadelphia Story and didn't bother to finish it.
Didn't care much for Woman of the Year, the first pairing of Hepburn and Tracy. But did appreciate a fair amount of Hepburn in it. And the period clips of baseball and football were interesting.

The Shop Around the Corner had some nice touches, but was also a bit tiresome and obvious where it was headed. A bit too much Jimmy Stewart for me.

Meet John Doe is pretty great. Really sucks you in and Stanwyck is quite good. There are a few scattered weak scenes but they tend to be rather brief. Easily the best of the bunch.

And I don't think I ever watched Talk of the Town before. It's pretty good. It starts off like something out of Fugitive From a Chain Gang, and Cary Grant seems to be a bad man on the wrong side of the law. Jean Arthur is quite good at zany comedy when things turn into screwball territory. I like her voice. It's a bit long and at times uneven, but also a fun romp. And it wasn't always clear where it was heading. The law debates and then the roel reversal was pretty well done. Drops right into #2 of this batch of old Hollywood I'm plowing through.


Weirdly, I disagree with almost every syllable of this posting. Bringing Up Baby and The Philadelphia Story are both amazing IMO. Meet John Doe and The Talk of the Town are tiresome. Sort of agree about The Shop Around the Corner, but as the musical She Loves Me it became magical. (As You've Got Mail it bacame horrific.)
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gromit
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:30 pm Reply with quote
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I was somewhat surprised how topical Meet John Doe felt:
- fake news
- phony populism
- a media baron subverting democracy for his own purposes
(I thought of Murdoch and Fox News, but there were elements of Trump there too)
- plutocrats trying to take over the USofA and instill discipline (see also, phony populism and subverting above)

In many ways Meet John Doe is a precursor to A Face in the Crowd which everyone wound up comparing to the Trump rise/demagoguery.

I liked the ambiguity in the film. Gary Cooper is a nice guy, honest, means well -- but gets sucked into being a patsy for something that overwhelms and corrupts him. He's both ultra-genuine and a phony at the same time. While Stanwyck means well, and is essentially decent and on the side of the little guy, but is also greedy and striving, gets bought off and like John Doe gets duped and corrupted by the money and thrill, and overwhelmed by forces larger than her.

I liked the late scene where the tension builds going into the John Doe Convention, and things spiral out of John Doe's control, the mob turns on him and he's a small tragic figure among a big spectacle.

Good time to rewatch MJD.

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gromit
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:59 pm Reply with quote
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Another rewatch was Miracle at Morgan's Creek. I wanted to like this, and there were some good scenes, but it didn't really work for me.
Betty Hutton's hair is a terrible distraction. William Demarest's crotchety Dad has a rather dated vaudeville quality to it. Like he just came in form a 3 Stooges film. Eddie Bracken grates a times, and only rarely has a good moment. I found myself really liking the beyond-her-years younger sister a lot.

The premise is pretty great and risque as hell for the times. Small town girl goes to a sendoff for the troops, winds up staying out all night, getting married and knocked up. But she has no idea who she married, thinking his name sounded like Ratzy-Watzky, which in any case might've been a made up name. So basically we have a youngish girl get drunk, have a one night stand and get pregnant, only glossed over by a sham wedding (fake names/unknown and missing husband). They also pretend she wasn't drunk but hit her head while dancing. But wow, the premise is racy stuff for the early 40's. More like pre-codeville. Of course it is a comedy, which I guess helps it glide by as well.

But overall, I wanted to like the film more than I did.

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gromit
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:11 pm Reply with quote
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Miracle ends with Eddie Bracken fainting and reviving.
A title card closes the film:

Quote:
But Norval recovered and
became increasingly happy
for, as Shakespeare said:
"Some are born great, some
achieve greatness, and some
have greatness thrust upon
them.


Which is fine if that's about Norval.
But if you apply it to Trudy, it's also pretty risque.
Her greatness is having sextuplets, so it was literally thrust upon her (wink-wink).

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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:19 pm Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
Another rewatch was Miracle at Morgan's Creek. I wanted to like this, and there were some good scenes, but it didn't really work for me.
Betty Hutton's hair is a terrible distraction. William Demarest's crotchety Dad has a rather dated vaudeville quality to it. Like he just came in form a 3 Stooges film. Eddie Bracken grates a times, and only rarely has a good moment. I found myself really liking the beyond-her-years younger sister a lot.

The premise is pretty great and risque as hell for the times. Small town girl goes to a sendoff for the troops, winds up staying out all night, getting married and knocked up. But she has no idea who she married, thinking his name sounded like Ratzy-Watzky, which in any case might've been a made up name. So basically we have a youngish girl get drunk, have a one night stand and get pregnant, only glossed over by a sham wedding (fake names/unknown and missing husband). They also pretend she wasn't drunk but hit her head while dancing. But wow, the premise is racy stuff for the early 40's. More like pre-codeville. Of course it is a comedy, which I guess helps it glide by as well.

But overall, I wanted to like the film more than I did.


Again, a huge disagree. I think MaM'sC is one of the truly great film comedies, and Hutton and Bracken are terrific. If the only scene were that long, long, looooong, one-take conversation as they walk and talk and walk and talk, they would live in cinematic memory.
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:34 pm Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
The past week, I've been rewatching a bunch of 30's and 40's films, mostly Katherine Hepburns and Cary Grants.
I was mostly neutral about Bringing Up Baby.
Fell asleep to Philadelphia Story and didn't bother to finish it.
That's it. You are dead to me.

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The Shop Around the Corner had some nice touches, but was also a bit tiresome and obvious where it was headed. A bit too much Jimmy Stewart for me.
"Too much Jimmy Stewart" is an impossibility.

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"Counter Clockwise' is a 2016 low budget indie film that riffs off the cult classic "Primer" (the time travel film shot in Austin TX for $7000, and one of the few films that really deals with the paradoxes and pretzel logic properly), with a pinch of plot from "Los Cronocrimenes." There are some interesting twists and turns, but the acting and dialog is pretty low grade and many interesting opportunities (e.g. where a character could meet his earlier self and try to advise a different course of action, or at least have some kind of surreal confrontation) are thrown away. Various caricatured villains appear, seemingly having wandered off the set of a Tarantino movie that was too awful to complete. The whole, so much less than the sum of its parts, held me in a kind of bilious fascination.

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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:15 am Reply with quote
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whiskeypriest wrote:
"Too much Jimmy Stewart" is an impossibility.


You can say that again. And show me tons more Jimmy Stewart.
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Halfway thru Capt. Fantastic. It has its moments - "Happy Noam Chomsky Day!" - but I can see where suspension of disbelief will falter at some point. When you write a counterculture story like this, you have to parcel out the crazy, not drown the viewer in it. Ah well. On to the second half...

....okay, not the worst take on the Mosquito Coast theme I've seen. Didn't dislike it as much as some did here. Many situations are surreal, cranking up improbables and extremes in order to say something about how theories of good parenting can be derailed by reality having other plans. A lot of it is tongue-in-cheek, I mean who would make Noam Chomsky the family hero/secular deity? Or reject the almighty petrodollar, yet drive the kids around in a big gas-guzzling bus? I think the film wants you to be in on the joke, and recognize that even a cult of freethinking individualism can eventually turn totalitarian.

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