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| Joe Vitus |
 Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:48 pm |
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Whiskey, what can I say? If you don't get the difference between my teasing you for your uncritical love of blow jobs (won't say "good blow jobs," as you seem to think there's no other kind) and your response that it's probably not always great to give them even though it's always great to receive them--if you don't get how that's a much cheaper shot, and beyond friendly good humor--I can't help you.
Not sure, either, why you'd want to have someone do something sexual for you that they might not enjoy, just because you know you'll enjoy it a lot. But maybe that's just more of my not at all understanding your viewpoint.
And if I was being passive-aggressive in my response, I wouldn't be directly confronting your argument, let alone acknowledging the homophobia/sexism of it. That's not how passive-aggression works. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:49 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Whiskey, what can I say? If you don't get the difference between my teasing you for your uncritical love of blow jobs (won't say "good blow jobs," as you seem to think there's no other kind) and your response that it's probably not always great to give them even though it's always great to receive them--if you don't get how that's a much cheaper shot, and beyond friendly good humor--I can't help you.
Not sure, either, why you'd want to have someone do something sexual for you that they might not enjoy, just because you know you'll enjoy it a lot. But maybe that's just more of my not at all understanding your viewpoint.
And if I was being passive-aggressive in my response, I wouldn't be directly confronting your argument, let alone acknowledging the homophobia/sexism of it. That's not how passive-aggression works.
So this is how it works then: You make an insulting comment about my sexual experience: "Friendly Good Humor." I make a commemt that touches on yours: "You homophobic bastard!" Got it. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:08 am |
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| If you don't see how my comment was playful (no one thinks any adult anywhere has only had a single blow job in their life) and how yours was a pretty common put down that lots of homophobes believe (gay men live to service others sexually), then you are as myopic and as emotionally touchy as you want to pretend I am. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:06 am |
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| And of coirse since I said nothing aboutt gay mem servicing people despite your constant accisation, that is not emotionally touchy. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:32 am |
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| OK guys, you are going in circles. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:37 am |
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| I didn't really see the putdown in WP's remark. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:17 pm |
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marantzo wrote: OK guys, you are going in circles.
Well, what goes down comes around, you know. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:43 pm |
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| Billy, your current picture looks like Don Francks. In the Canadian TV series Le Femme Nikita, Don Francks wears a band around his forehead also. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:07 pm |
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| I am somehow reminded of billy's favorite Coen Bros movie, Barton Fink: Writers come and go; we always need Indians! And by favorite I mean, of course, favorite Coen Bros movie to detest. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:00 pm |
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Anyway until Friday I had forgotten just how godawful 1776 was. Not a single memorable tune. Leaden and lifeless. I found myself yelling historical corrections at the screen - always a sign that the movie has lost me, since I normally disdain factual.inaccuracy, letting the movie create its own reality. Correcting history means to me that the movie just aint working.
By the way at one point Adams and Franklin take the representative from Maryland to review the army.
Far as I can tell ONLY ADAMS AND FRANKLIN RETURN. What happened to him? Target practice? The garotting of a n inconvenient witness? Body dumped in the New Jersey wasteland to be eaten by crows and the beast of the field? Blair Witch? |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:38 am |
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billyweeds wrote: marantzo wrote: OK guys, you are going in circles.
Well, what goes down comes around, you know.
Touché.
I like 1776, myself. I'm not quite sure it needed the director's cut treatment (I kinda miss the immediate opening rather than the long roll of credits that are there now). Songs are good, script strong, cast appealing. It's very much Old Broadway, even if it did open in 1969. But it's a theater staple for good reason, and the movie is faithful without coming off as a filmed play. Not one of the all-time great Broadway-to-Hollywood transitions, but not an unwatchable botch like A Chorus Line or Mame, either.
This is where Billy posts that the original production was much better, he dated Betty Buckley and helped doctor the script out of town.  |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:27 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote:
This is where Billy posts that the original production was much better, he dated Betty Buckley and helped doctor the script out of town.
Not quite, but weirdly close.
1) The original production was much better, though I completely agree with WP about how mediocre the score is. This was a musical that should have been a straight play. I think the movie was on a par as an adaptation with the "point the camera and let 'em perform" style of the likewise uninspired The Music Man.
2) I know Betty Buckley.
3) I saw it out of town and was a friend of the stage manager and an acquaintance of the director and got some inside dope on what was happening in the doctoring process. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:15 am |
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It cracks me up that Buckley is often cast as sensible, matriarchal figures, because apparently she's nutty in real life (though I've never heard anyone say anything unkind about her). An acquaintance was telling me the other day about her wandering into whatever was the big sheet music store for all disciplines in Manhattan. She apparently had no idea what the store was and just wandered in and turned out to be so thrilled with it, she just kept wandering around some more.
I like the score, particularly the opening number, the "letters" between Adams and Abigail, "He Plays the Violin" and "The Egg." Mediocre? Maybe, but when I think how much the songs grabbed me from the first time I saw, it, I don't know. To me Pippin and Godspell are genuinely mediocre. On the other hand, it's not a score you want to be listening to in the car.
I think the idea that the play should have been entirely spoken is bizarre. You couldn't have the fun with characters like Adams and Franklin in a straight play, even a dramatic comedy--the songs give the audience permission to relax with historical figures. Plus--they're fun and on two occasions moving. I don't think they get in the way, at all. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:30 am |
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About Buckley--you heard correctly. She goes beyond nutty. But with a voice almost without peer.
I agree that as a straight play 1776 would be a major drag if left as is. But the songs don't add, although "He Plays the Violin" is fun. I would rewrite the book and take out the songs and let William Daniels do whatever he wants. He was amazing. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:43 am |
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marantzo wrote: Billy, your current picture looks like Don Francks. In the Canadian TV series Le Femme Nikita, Don Francks wears a band around his forehead also.
It's my 4th of July headband, also known as my Springsteen drag. I love it. Also tend to love Don Francks, so that's a compliment for me. Thanks! |
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