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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:32 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
Room 237 is a film in which a bunch of obsessives rattle off various theories about the sub-textual meanings in The Shining. These range from the genocide of the Indians, to hints about Kubrick faking the moon landings, Nazis! and more. When one enthusiast starts weaving a theory about Indian genocide based largely around the Calumet baking soda cans in the storage room, I was cynically wondering why the large cans of Tang didn't have equal hidden meanings. And then later another nutter launches into how Kubrick helped fake the moon landing footage and is hinting at that throughout the film, as the presence of large jars of Tang makes abundantly clear. Conspiracy theories are always amusing/interesting but a lot of the ideas here have an I Buried Paul quality to them.

Some of the observations, and especially the minor details taken up, are interesting. However, a number of them just seemed like parodies of over-analyzing a text and finding whatever meanings you are looking for. The Nazi/Holocaust theories fell into the later category: #42 on the kid's sweater + a German brand typewriter = 1942 and Nazi genocide. Uh, sure. Seemed just as easy to say 42 was Jackie Robinson's number plus Scatman Crothers taking an axe to the midsection referred to segregation or black oppression or wherever you wanted to go with such loose theorizing.

I was also less impressed with those who thought Kubrick was a super-genius who tossed in symbols and allusions to all of human culture in his horror movie. But I guess that would account for the draggy pace. Not necessary, but probably a good idea to re-watch The Shining before and/or possibly after viewing the Room 237 documentary. Room 237 is probably a good thing to catch some fragments of on cable -- but overall just adds up to a misuse of interpretation and obsession.

This is good:
Owen Gleiberman of Entertainment Weekly:
"Room 237 makes perfect sense of The Shining because, even more than The Shining itself, it places you right inside the logic of how an insane person thinks."
A lot of the problem is that these folks are sure they've decoded some important hidden meaning intrinsic to the film, whereas if they just took a more low key approach their ideas and connections would be more interesting and believable. That the silhouette of the skier in a poster on the wall happens to (sort of) look like a minotaur is interesting, but doesn't mean that it was intended to convey that meaning, deftly hinting at the labyrinth, etc


I've wanted to see this since I first read a review of it several months back. I've actually watched a self-made documentary by the guy who thinks it's Kubrick's closeted confession about faking the moon landing for NASA. What's fascinating is that, like JFK assassination conspiracies, the logic works within its own framework, just not outside of it. There are startling numerical/imagistic repetitions that fit the framework for what the guy is alleging. It's just that there are multiple other reasons that could be given for all those coincidences.

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bartist
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:45 am Reply with quote
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Films like Rm. 237 tend to depress me. It is like putting on some kind of itchy mental corset, and it stays on you for several hours after you leave the theater. The large jars of Tang were a reference to the T'ang Dynasty - Kubrick collected ceramics from that period.

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gromit
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:54 am Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
What's fascinating is that, like JFK assassination conspiracies, the logic works within its own framework, just not outside of it.

A number of years ago I read a short book In the Freud Archives by Janet Malcolm, detailing the flamboyant brash head of the Freud Archives who gave out quotes such as he wanted to turn the Freud archives into "a haven of sex, women and fun." But there was another fellow, an auto-didact outside academia who researched and came up with all these impressively detailed theories about Freud. I mainly recall he was convinced that Freud knocked up his sister-in-law and took her for an abortion on a trip they took together for a few days. The author Janet Malcolm flatly states that this theory is ingenious and very persuasive, but the only flaw with it is that it just isn't true. The guy interprets everything in Freud's correspondence and other writings to make this grand case, which holds together within its own logic/interpretation.
Actually that's a pretty fascinating read, how a few eminent folks placed their trust in an upstart, essentially getting hoodwinked by a charlatan, and then had to go into serious damage control mode.

Looked it up, and it must be this guy:
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Peter J. Swales (born 1948) is a Welsh "guerilla historian of psychoanalysis", and former assistant to the Rolling Stones, who has written essays and letters about Sigmund Freud. A 1998 article in The New Republic magazine noted his "...remarkable detective work over the last 25 years, revealing the true identities of several early patients of Freud's who had been known only by their pseudonyms." He is one of three men (the others are Freud Archives director Kurt Eissler and psychoanalyst Jeffrey Masson) whose machinations are described in the 1984 book In The Freud Archives, which originated as two articles in The New Yorker magazine that provoked Masson to file an unsuccessful $10 million libel suit against the magazine and its writer Janet Malcolm.


guerilla historian of psychoanalysis!


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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:05 pm Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
that theory is ingenious and very persuasive, but the only flaw with it is that it just isn't true.


To my mind, this may be the most perfect quote ever.

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"Man is so intelligent that he feels impelled to invent theories to account for what happens in the world. Unfortunately, he is not quite intelligent enough, in most cases, to find correct explanations. So that when he acts on his theories, he behaves very often like a lunatic."

― Aldous Huxley
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:19 pm Reply with quote
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Gromit,

Looked up The Freud Archives on Amazon, and I think I'm going to have to buy it. Thanks for the lead.

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billyweeds
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Most folks hereabouts know how much I detest overlong movies. Well, I just saw one I wish had been a bit longer. Lovelace is just good enough to have made me wish it went deeper into the saga of Linda Lovelace, the star of Deep Throat, whose story has two thrusts (no pun intended)--the one detailing her glorious career as a genuine porn "star" and the other one, about her rape, forced career as a prostitute, and marriage from hell to Chuck Traynor.

What suffers from the shortness of the film (about 90 minutes) is the excellent performance by Amanda Seyfried as Linda. Seyfried has never impressed me all that much as a goody-two-shoes (Les Miserables, Mamma Mia!, etc.) but here she is terrific. Peter Sarsgaard is also good as Traynor, and the supporting cast is littered with cameos by biggies like Hank Azaria, Chloe Sevigny, and Chris Noth. It's definitely worth catching, but I wish I was more devastated than I am.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:46 pm Reply with quote
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What's kept me from the film is that Seyfried is waaaaaay to beautiful to be Linda Lovelace. That's one of the ironies of the woman: the first female porno star not only made only one full-length movie, but she wasn't even remotely attractive.

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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:38 pm Reply with quote
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Seyfried, to her credit, allows herself to appear considerably less than her best, though admittedly quite a bit more of a looker than Lovelace.
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:22 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Most folks hereabouts know how much I detest overlong movies. Well, I just saw one I wish had been a bit longer. Lovelace is just good enough to have made me wish it went deeper into the saga of Linda Lovelace, the star of Deep Throat, whose story has two thrusts (no pun intended)--the one detailing her glorious career as a genuine porn "star" and the other one, about her rape, forced career as a prostitute, and marriage from hell to Chuck Traynor.

What suffers from the shortness of the film (about 90 minutes) is the excellent performance by Amanda Seyfried as Linda. Seyfried has never impressed me all that much as a goody-two-shoes (Les Miserables, Mamma Mia!, etc.) but here she is terrific. Peter Sarsgaard is also good as Traynor, and the supporting cast is littered with cameos by biggies like Hank Azaria, Chloe Sevigny, and Chris Noth. It's definitely worth catching, but I wish I was more devastated than I am.
The potential diuble entendres herein are near to unlimited....

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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:24 am Reply with quote
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Well, I just saw one I wish had been a bit longer.


"That's what she said."

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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:25 pm Reply with quote
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Screen Actors Guild Awards Nominations

Outstanding performance by a movie cast:

“12 Years a Slave”
“American Hustle”
“August: Osage County”
“Dallas Buyers’ Club”
“Lee Daniels’ The Butler”

Individual performances:

Actor: Bruce Dern (“Nebraska”), Chiwetel Ejiofor (“12 Years a Slave”), Tom Hanks (“Captain Phillips”), Matthew McConaughey (“Dallas Buyers Club”), Forest Whitaker (“Lee Daniels’ The Butler”)

Actress: Cate Blanchett (“Blue Jasmine”), Sandra Bullock (“Gravity”), Judi Dench (“Philomena”), Meryl Streep (“August: Osage County”), Emma Thompson (“Saving Mr. Banks)

Supporting actor: Barkhad Abdi (“Captain Phillips”), Daniel Bruhl (“Rush”), Michael Fassbender (“12 Years a Slave”), James Gandolfini (“Enough Said”), Jared Leto (“Dallas Buyers Club”)

Supporting actress: Jennifer Lawrence (“American Hustle”), Lupita Nyong’o (“12 Years a Slave”), Julia Roberts (“August: Osage County”), June Squibb (“Nebraska”), Oprah Winfrey (“Lee Daniels’ The Butler”)

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Ghulam
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James Gandolfini a "supporting actor" in Enough Said???

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Ghulam
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A.O.Scott's 10 Best List

1. ‘ Inside Llewyn Davis’

2. ‘12 Years a Slave’

3. ‘Blue Is the Warmest Color’

4. ‘Enough Said’

5. ‘A Touch of Sin’

6. ‘All Is Lost’

7. ‘Frances Ha’

8. ‘Hannah Arendt’

9. ‘Lee Daniels’ The Butler’

10. ‘The Great Gatsby’/‘The Wolf of Wall Street’/‘The Bling Ring’/‘Spring Breakers’/‘Pain and Gain’/‘American Hustle’. And: “Before Midnight,” “Beyond the Hills,” “Caesar Must Die,” “Computer Chess,” “Fill the Void,” “Fruitvale Station,” “The Great Beauty,” “Her,” “In a World, ” “Much Ado About Nothing,” “Museum Hours,” “Nebraska,” “An Oversimplification of Her Beauty,” “Viola,” “You Ain’t Seen Nothin’ Yet.”

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Ghulam
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Manohla Dargis’s 16 favorites, in alphabetical order:

‘American Hustle’ (David O. Russell), ‘Before Midnight’ (Richard Linklater), ‘Behind the Candelabra’ (Steven Soderbergh), ‘Captain Phillips’ (Paul Greengrass), ‘The Counselor’ (Ridley Scott), ‘The Grandmaster’ (Wong Kar-wai), ‘The Great Beauty’ (Paolo Sorrentino), ‘Her’ (Spike Jonze), ‘Inside Llewyn Davis’ (Joel and Ethan Coen), ‘MANAKAMANA’ (Stephanie Spray and Pacho Velez), ‘Redemption’ (Miguel Gomes), ‘Rush’ (Ron Howard), ‘Spring Breakers’ (Harmony Korine), ‘The Square’ (Jehane Noujaim), ‘A Touch of Sin’ (Jia Zhang-ke), ‘12 Years a Slave’ (Steve McQueen).

And her honor roll: “All Is Lost,” “Bastards,” “Blue Caprice,” “Blue Jasmine,” “Computer Chess,” “Crystal Fairy,” “Enough Said,” “Faust,” “Gimme the Loot,” “In the Fog,” “The Invisible Woman,” “Kill Your Darlings,” “Mother of George,” “Nebraska,” “Our Children,” “Post Tenebras Lux,” “Reality,” “Room 237,” “Something in the Air,” “Stories We Tell,” “This Is the End,” “This Is Martin Bonner,” “Viola.”

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