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bartist |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:40 am |
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Previously, on the previous page:
BW defending the ramparts against Rampart. Prepare the boiling oil pots.
The eyes of T. J. Eckleburg are blue and gigantic, soon to be three-dimensional. Not only disturbing, but pointless. Agree it's a book that needs to be a book.
Anonymous -- is it just me, or is there something kind of anal about having to nail down "who" the Bard was? He was the Bard. The Bard abides. Can't think of any reason to plunk down money for this. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:56 am |
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Anonymous sounds faintly deplorable.
Found out that the television series The Shield, which is extremely similar to Rampart (with one enormous difference that separates a hit from an interesting failure), was originally titled Rampart. That (this is news to me) is the name of a division of L.A. where both stories are set.
The difference between the two projects is that the Michael Chiklis character in The Shield, despite being corrupt and flawed 300 ways from sundown, was a person you could root for, sometimes against your better judgment. He was a weirdly likeable dude. Harrelson's character is repellent. |
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bartist |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:39 am |
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Haven't seen The Shield, but am familiar with the Rampart Scandal of the 90's...arguably the most horrible case of police misconduct in U.S. history. Massive corruption in the anti-gang unit that worked the Rampart district, every kind of abuse of the office imaginable. If you were going for realism in a fictional tale about that time, you would definitely have repellent characters. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:42 am |
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bartist wrote: Haven't seen The Shield, but am familiar with the Rampart Scandal of the 90's...arguably the most horrible case of police misconduct in U.S. history. Massive corruption in the anti-gang unit that worked the Rampart district, every kind of abuse of the office imaginable. If you were going for realism in a fictional tale about that time, you would definitely have repellent characters.
Well, then, they succeeded. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:49 am |
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bartist wrote:
Anonymous -- is it just me, or is there something kind of anal about having to nail down "who" the Bard was?
Quote: People often say that it doesn’t matter who wrote the works, we still have the works themselves. Noel Coward puts this into song:
Christopher Marlowe or Francis Bacon,
The author of Lear remains unshaken.
Willie Herbert or Mary Fitton,
What does it matter? The Sonnets were written.
But it does matter. Utterly. To claim otherwise is to deny history, the nature of historical evidence, and also to sever from the works any understanding of the humanity and personality behind them. As people we want to know as much as possible about the artist responsible for the work. Even though we don’t have as much personal information about Shakespeare of the kind we should like to have – diaries, letters, account books– our desire to know as much as possible remains unabated. That is where the art of Shakespearian biography commences. From a very useful free ebook:
http://bloggingshakespeare.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Shakespeare_Bites_Back_Book.pdf
Quote: He was the Bard. The Bard abides. Can't think of any reason to plunk down money for this. He was, he does, me either, except to be able to answer questions based on it. |
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bartist |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:57 am |
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Wp --
It's probably a symptom of my liberal art college education, but one of the joys, for me, of graduating and moving on is that delicious sense of being able to do what I want. Like denying history and severing an author's works from any understanding of his/her humanity, etc. IOW, letting the work speak for itself. Not that I seriously propose to avoid all author biography. Steinbeck, e.g., had an interesting life, did interesting things, and it's maybe worthwhile to see how said life informed his books. And I'm glad to know Nabakov chased butterflies in his spare time.
I note that your quoted writer refers to the "art of Shakespearian biography..." and that's how it strikes me, as a kind of literary and speculative enterprise. I don't doubt that, as writer lives go, Bill S's was more on the interesting end of the spectrum. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:59 am |
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Nabokov
Sometimes I even spell his name correctly. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:13 pm |
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When I read something terrific by someone I never heard of, I want to learn a lot more about him/her. (In one case recently, I didn't even know whether the author was male or female, but I guessed female and I was right.) It may be more curiosity than anything else, but I like to know something about the creators of things I like. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:10 pm |
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What's frustrating about the "Who wrote Shakespeare's Plays" argument is the fucking snobbery of it all. Some people just can't accept that a nonentity, a middle class, small town guy could be responsible for the greatest words ever written in the English language. It must have been someone better, preferably noble, sneaking around in the guise of a peasant, as Marie Antoinette would later dress up as a Dresden shepherdess for court revels. God forbid talent should strike what looks like a fairly average man from a fairly average background.
And then there are the conspiracy nuts who don't feel satisfied unless they prove that something fairly obvious and assumed is really part of an intricate plot of deception, which they have the intelligence to uncover. It's horseshit.
Who wrote Shakespeare's plays? Shakespeare. End of story. |
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carrobin |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:20 pm |
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It's always seemed highly unlikely to me that a nobleman would allow someone else to take credit for his own successful work, regardless of the pressures of the time. I might believe that the nobleman's wife would--but that's another movie. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:22 pm |
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"...guy could be responsible for the greatest words ever written in the English language."
Joe, come on. You seem to have forgotten Amanda McKittrick Ros. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:52 pm |
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carrobin wrote: It's always seemed highly unlikely to me that a nobleman would allow someone else to take credit for his own successful work, regardless of the pressures of the time. I might believe that the nobleman's wife would--but that's another movie.
I agree. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:22 am |
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Puss in Boots is fun, with Antonio Banderas playing the role he was born to play, Salma Hayek, obviously, as his leading lady (who else would you choose?) and Zach Galifianakis, to my surprise, is Humpty Alexander Dumpty, who once was Puss's best friend, then had a falling out (Humpty was a bad egg), and now is back as a partner with a lead to some magic beans. Zach is actually pretty good although I had trouble believing in Humpty Dumpty.
Despite the character names (you also have Jack and Jill--far from the fairy tale characters you imagine--and the goose with the golden eggs, and Jack of Jack and the Beanstalk), this doesn't really resemble a Shrek spinoff except in quality of animation; this is the swashbuckling universe Puss lives in, with deeds of derring-do, flamboyant statement of romance, swordfights, dance fights, exotic locales and complicated long-festering acts of revenge. It wasn't exactly what I was expecting, but I liked it better. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:38 am |
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Puss in Boots has been getting some surprisingly great notices. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:19 am |
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Sounds like one for me to see.
Does anyone remember when a MsBanderas posted on the NYTFF? She asked some kind of question that I don't remember. I asked her if she were Melanie Griffith. I guess I shouldn't have asked because she never posted again. |
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