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| billyweeds |
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| I am a Marty fan, except for the non-violent exercises like the nap-fodder The Age of Innocence and the coma-inducing Kundun. That's why I'm not looking forward to his Harry Potter-style Hugo, opening soon at a family-oriented multiplex near you. The trailer makes it look unendurable by anyone over ten years old. I will see it free, however, and in 3-D, so I will be there. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:18 am |
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bartist wrote: BD Howard seems to be developing a knack for doing false women.
Yes, agreed. As an ingenue she was a fiasco, but as a bee-yotch she's terrific, first in The Help and now in 50/50. Wonder what this says about her. Wonder what Opie thinks. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:48 am |
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From the little I know about Jung's character, he was a pretty up tight guy.
A very good friend of mine who is a psychiatrist in Israel was a big member of the Jungian society or whatever they were called. He wrote a book about Jungian philosophy. I never read it, but I think that's what it was about. When I last saw him he told me that he'd dropped out of the Jungian group, saying that they were rigid in their Jung worship and the Jungian approach was the only one they would accept. He would argue that Jung's psychoanalysis theories weren't the be all and end all and there were other approaches that were certainly worthy of use.
They would have none of that, so he drifted off. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:48 pm |
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I know nothing of Jung's uptightness, but I know he theorized wildly and loosely (UFO's as quasi-realities created by human minds in a collective unconscious...), so the starched collar must have come off at some point. If he'd had Keira Knightley to shtup back to health, who knows what he would have come up with.
I looked up Anna Kendrick on wiki and realized I had seen her before, in Up in the Air. She and I share a birth date, though not, to my regret, a birth year. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:02 pm |
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I like are Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore and his doc My Voyage to Italy ...
His recent Dylan and Stones docs didn't do much for me.
So none of you Scorsese fans bothered to watch his latest project when it was on TV? |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:34 pm |
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bartist wrote: I know nothing of Jung's uptightness, but I know he theorized wildly and loosely (UFO's as quasi-realities created by human minds in a collective unconscious...), so the starched collar must have come off at some point. If he'd had Keira Knightley to shtup back to health, who knows what he would have come up with.
I looked up Anna Kendrick on wiki and realized I had seen her before, in Up in the Air. She and I share a birth date, though not, to my regret, a birth year.
Bart, if you read and saw some of the illustrations in Jung's Red Book (I think it is called), which was hidden or something and was just opened a year or so ago, you'd think the UFO stuff was child's play by comparison.
I've always thought that most shinks went into the practice because they had mental issues of their own. Jung is a paramount example of that.
I'll always have something to thank him for. Getting the response from Freud that, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:18 pm |
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I just looked it up and there is no conclusive evidence that Freud coined that phrase. I had heard or read (this was a very long time ago) that Freud and some of his acolytes were out to dinner. After dinner Freud lit up a cigar and Jung asked something like, "Is your cigar an instrument for satisfying an oral fixation?" to which Freud replied with that well know rejoinder.
In all the the info I went through, none of them mentioned Jung though one of them said it took place at a meeting that Freud and his acolytes got together at. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:29 pm |
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| I do like Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, a lot. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:43 am |
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bartist wrote: Quote: Not much of a Marty fan, except for his film preservation and appreciation work.
To me, that's like saying "not much of a Shakespeare fan, except for his essays on stage lighting." But, chacun a son gout, and all that.
Will probably rent the GH doc...it sounds good.
I wonder if Gromit was being ironic, but I'll go on record as not being much of a Marty fan. This may have to do with being gay, and Scorsese being such a "guy's" director. He's all about relish and remorse for the power/lack of power of men.
But I just don't have the personal obsession with crime or psychopaths that he does. And he rarely deals with anything else. This is not, of course, to deny that he's a great director, but it is to say I generally at most end up admiring rather than liking his work. I also think that (and I include Goodfellas in this), since Raging Bull he has not really hit an artistic peak again, and his movies tend to get praised to the skies upon release more for the name of the director than the quality of the work. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:58 am |
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| I disagree about Goodfellas, which I think is Scorsese's best film ever, but agree about almost everything else since. The Departed is a terrific movie and Casino and The Aviator have great moments, but everything else is pretty awful. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:48 am |
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Quote: Bart, if you read and saw some of the illustrations in Jung's Red Book (I think it is called), which was hidden or something and was just opened a year or so ago, you'd think the UFO stuff was child's play by comparison.
I've always thought that most shinks went into the practice because they had mental issues of their own. Jung is a paramount example of that.
I really have to check out Jung's Red Book. As for shrinks being a little nuts, it's either that or they have had close family members who were. Either way it's an asset on the job, helping them empathize with clients. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:14 am |
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billyweeds wrote: I disagree about Goodfellas, which I think is Scorsese's best film ever, but agree about almost everything else since. The Departed is a terrific movie and Casino and The Aviator have great moments, but everything else is pretty awful.
I wish you'd elaborate on this, because personally I just don't understand it, even though I know most people would agree with you. I guess what makes me think of it as second tier Scorsese is that, in terms of visuals and sound, he's not doing anything new or exciting. The acting is strong, but in many respects as a work of cinema, it's drab to me, for all that the camera follows them everywhere in long takes.
By the way, I like Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore a lot, but Harvey Keitel's explosion of rage seems to belong to a different movie entirely. An odd, jarring note that kinda fits into the theme of the movie, but seems to be there more because Scorsese just needs something like that in almost everything he does. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:43 am |
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bartist wrote: Quote: Bart, if you read and saw some of the illustrations in Jung's Red Book (I think it is called), which was hidden or something and was just opened a year or so ago, you'd think the UFO stuff was child's play by comparison.
I've always thought that most shinks went into the practice because they had mental issues of their own. Jung is a paramount example of that.
I really have to check out Jung's Red Book. As for shrinks being a little nuts, it's either that or they have had close family members who were. Either way it's an asset on the job, helping them empathize with clients.
I think it's an asset too.
I don't think or know if the Red Book is in circulation. I'm pretty sure it hasn't been published, just the original copy. I might be wrong about that also. I read about it a few years ago when it was finally released from his family's grasp by one of the family, I think, and IIRC just let the Jungian Society or their leader access. What I read was just parts of Jung's fantastic beliefs (if they were really his beliefs or just some kind of nightmare), and descriptions of some of his weird and creepy illustrations. It was sort of a Dante's Inferno type of thing. I'm going to Google it and see what I get. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:04 am |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:11 am |
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| Joe--I think Goodfellas is a hugely entertaining movie, which I don't think applies to much of Scorsese's work. The long shots are only part of it, though a big part. (The one through the nightclub kitchen is classic.) The whole last sequence where the Italian dinner is prepared in a cocaine fever is amazing. The performances, as you noted, are great. Everything about the movie is a grabber. Scorsese even at his best often takes himself so seriously that I admire rather than "like" his movies. (This particularly applies to Raging Bull and Taxi Driver.) But Goodfellas for me was a Scorsese game-changer. |
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