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| knox |
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gromit wrote: Charles Crumb is fascinating, because he's so messed up -- and in the same ways as Robert, but without the success or the successful defense mechanisms.
Charles was schizophrenic, never left home, only briefly held a job, and killed himself when Robert moved to France. I just don't see this being quite the same brand of messed up as Robert. But I agree the parts with him and Maxon were fascinating, and certainly a window into the wretched early family life with Dad as Uber-Bully.
For me, Maxon is the biggest talent in the Crumb family -- a gifted surrealist painter. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:10 am |
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| Finally caught Easy A -- love it, a great entry into the teen angster genre, and the supporting stints from Tucci, Clarkson, THC, and Kudrow are all hilarious. Stone is perfect, and somehow reminds me of my Emma (who turns 21 this May), so adoration came easily for me. Some teen comedies make me smile indulgently....this one yanked belly-laughs out of me. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:27 am |
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I thought that their psychological profiles and problems and issues were very similar. But Robert found an outlet in his art, and learned how to interact in the world with a detached bemusement, while Charles fell into the depressive abyss. To me, they were two sides of the same coin, but with divergent personalities and wildly opposite paths in life. I found that pretty fascinating.
And yes, I found myself pulling for Max.
Probably because Robert is successful and not that likable, while Charles is doomed,
Max inhabits a weird middle ground between the two other brothers. His indeterminate course could head either way. It's great that the film/film project itself gained Max recognition for his talent and helped nudge him towards Robert's road.
I became curious about the sisters. I have a bit of a literal turn of mind and usually want to complete the picture, so to speak. One wanted nothing to do with the project. But the other seemed approachable. Zwigoff however didn't have the money to follow-up, and figured that she didn't have anything to do with the comics/drawings anyway. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:40 am |
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| I was quite disappointed with Easy A. A movie strickly for teens in my opinion. I did find the secondary, adult roles, the best thing in the movie. Maybe it has to be seen on the small screen. It wasn't much on the big screen. |
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| knox |
| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:43 am |
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Quote: To me, they were two sides of the same coin, but with divergent personalities and wildly opposite paths in life. I found that pretty fascinating.
I see your point, in terms of the early environment being the same, how they are both responding to similar family shit and seeking refuge in graphic art.
I've browsed Maxon's website and he seems to be doing okay -- for one thing, he moved to SF where it's much easier to be the sort of guy he is and make connections. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:37 pm |
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| Finally caught Witness for the Prosecution, which was a lot of fun. Charles Laughton and Elsa Lanchester are such a delight to watch together, both here and in The Private Life of Henry VIII. (They're also delightful to watch in films they didn't make together as well.) They made some comic shorts together before they were married that I hope turn up someday. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:03 pm |
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Syd wrote: Finally caught Witness for the Prosecution, which was a lot of fun. Charles Laughton and Elsa Lanchester are such a delight to watch together, both here and in The Private Life of Henry VIII. (They're also delightful to watch in films they didn't make together as well.) They made some comic shorts together before they were married that I hope turn up someday.
What did you think of Marlene Dietrich? |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:45 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: Syd wrote: Finally caught Witness for the Prosecution, which was a lot of fun. Charles Laughton and Elsa Lanchester are such a delight to watch together, both here and in The Private Life of Henry VIII. (They're also delightful to watch in films they didn't make together as well.) They made some comic shorts together before they were married that I hope turn up someday.
What did you think of Marlene Dietrich?
She does the ice queen very well. One of her better performances. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:55 am |
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Currently watching the 1948 David Lean version of Oliver Twist. Oliver's finally met Fagin (Alec Guinness). Now in the book, Fagin is the stereotypical Jew--long hooked nose, huge beard, miser, caring more about money than the welfare of the children etc. (Dickens toned down the character's "Jewishness" in later editions because he got to know some actual Jews.)
In the movie? Fagin is the stereotypical Jew--long hooked nose, huge beard, miser, caring more about money than welfare of the children etc. The film was actually banned in the US for several years because of this characterization. Guinness is giving a good performance regardless.
The movie's pretty good, but there's too much reliance on lighting and atmospheric gimmicks. I much prefer Great Expectations. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:13 am |
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Isn't there a strong sense of Fagin as a pedophile in this version?
Dickens tried to soften the antisemitism in later editions. Though I believe Penguin, among other publishers, usually prints the early version rather than the revised. He made friends with a Jewish solicitor, who criticized him for making Fagin Jewish. This friendship made Dickens realize how wrong he had been, and in edition to those changes, he also includes a good Jewish character in Our Mutual Friend. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:00 am |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:41 am |
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| We have a music forum, Marc. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:46 am |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:55 am |
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| A good idea for a forum. Favourite Music Movies, Broadway Musicals, Jazz, Rock, Classical, Biographies etc. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:17 am |
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marantzo wrote: A good idea for a forum. Favourite Music Movies, Broadway Musicals, Jazz, Rock, Classical, Biographies etc.
That was what the Theater Forum was intended to be sans biographies and rock, since there already is a rock forum. But as soon as Lorne named it "Theater" it became just that - the Theater Forum. |
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