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shannon
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:00 am Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:
Ewan M. (my new favorite actor)


Ditto. I saw I Love You Phillip Morris the other night, he's far and away the best thing about the movie. And the movie itself is quite good.
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gromit
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Catfish is kind of a waste of time. To get to a feature length run time, they drag out a bunch of their investigation and suspicion and the unfolding of the internet relationships*. Which leaves the question hanging of why they started filming this in the first place if they didn't know there was a good payoff. For anyone interested in the perils of internet relationships, talhotblond is a much more intriguing, much better constructed documentary on the same themes. I'd highly rec that and skipping Catfish.

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* Actually it would have been better if they focused on the internet relationships, and the web of deceit and the many characters created, rather than focusing on their juvenile and often boring reactions to the overall relationship. The whole payoff is that this woman created an elaborate deceit, and yet instead of documenting that deceit and its layers, they document their interactions and reactions, totally losing sight that Angela is the interesting one here, not these guys. It would have made things much more meaningful and poignant when we finally see Angela's reality. And we should have spent more time learning about Angela. Til the end, these guys think the story is how normal people like them -- meaning you -- can be duped on the internet. When the real story is the pathology and loneliness that this other person felt and how they manipulated the anonymity of the internet to live a different reality.


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shannon wrote:
Befade wrote:
Ewan M. (my new favorite actor)


Ditto. I saw I Love You Phillip Morris the other night, he's far and away the best thing about the movie. And the movie itself is quite good.


Carrey is the best thing about the movie, but I agree that the film is well done and interesting.
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Gromit, only too happy to oblige re...

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Catfish is kind of a waste of time. To get to a feature length run time, they drag out a bunch of their investigation and suspicion and the unfolding of the internet relationships*. Which leaves the question hanging of why they started filming this in the first place if they didn't know there was a good payoff. For anyone interested in the perils of internet relationships, talhotblond is a much more intriguing, much better constructed documentary on the same themes. I'd highly rec that and skipping Catfish.



Enjoyed your analysis of its flaws, even though I haven't seen it. Will seek out THB, which seems to be at the local Redbox.

Will be staying out of theaters for a while, maybe a long while, due to a serious inner ear problem that I really have to deal with. Hope my resulting silence on Oscars and Blanches (several films I'll have to wait for video, looks like) won't be seen as apathy. Just survival. The large-scale motion in a dark room, combined with the sonic impact, makes movies unworkable for now. Childhood dream of being an astronaut: also on hold.

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Not seeing a movie never stopped Gary from opinionating........

Keep us posted about your ear.......sounds debilitating...

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I saw I Love You Phillip Morris the other night, he's far and away the best thing about the movie. And the movie itself is quite good.


That's a film I'd like to see again. Ewan M. never came across as gay in anything else did he? I was impressed by the way he walked across the jail yard. Kind of gingerly and self-protective. I'm smiling. I liked that film.

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Saoirse Ronan seems to be making quite a career for herself: key parts in Atonement and the The Lovely Bones; a starring role in the soon to be released thriller, Hannah - a cross betrween Salt and Kick-Ass; and a big role in the interesting looking, The Way Back, is not a bad filmography for a young teenager just starting out.

The Way Back about an escape from a Russian gulag and a subsequent trek to freedom across hostile country is in many ways a well-worn plot. However, not being set in America or featuring an American as a point of reference makes it more interesting, and, I hope, helps confirm a growing Hollywood trend to be more outward looking. I cite Babel and Hereafter as supporting evidence.

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gromit
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The thing that saves Catfish is that the main character/person Nev Schulman is a good-looking nice guy, who is portrayed as somewhat wary of the documentary of his internet relationship that his brother and friend are filming. It's hard not to like Nev, even if he does have an exceedingly silly tattoo of wings on his lower back (we only see this once, but it got me laughing).

And the woman/mother Angela is an interesting case study in loneliness and escape. Though it's unfortunate that they only spend 3 or 4 days with her and her family, and only apparently two after the truth comes out. So they don't have much material on the ending to work with/edit together.

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shannon
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Befade wrote:
Ewan M. never came across as gay in anything else did he?


Well, everything about Moulin Rouge is pretty gay...

And The Velvet Goldmine, too, and literally, although it isn't very good.


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billyweeds wrote:
Carrey is the best thing about the movie, but I agree that the film is well done and interesting.


Well, yeah, the movie is pretty much his movie, and he's excellent, but it's an exemplification of all that has ever been good about Jim Carrey to begin with. (Most of his "serious" roles have always struck me as fake and actor-ish.) Ewen McGregor surprised me.
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Every movie I've seen Ewen McGregor in I thought, "He could be gay." As I've said before, I have never seen a performance of his that I liked, but that has nothing to do with him being gay or not. Laughing

Betsy, I didn't see I Love You Phillip Morris and I liked it well enough, but I didn't care for E M's performance.

And strange as it is, I'm having an ear problem too. Nothing serious like Bart's (I'm hoping). I came down with a cold Wednesday and I think it morphed into one of those new flus because it's affecting many different parts of my body and the last four days (and nights) have been dreadful. I may be over the worst though. The problem is only in my head today and I'm not as whacked out as I've been up till now.
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I have felt the same as Gary about Ewan McGregor. In every movie I've seen him in, I've had the feeling he's a gay man acting the role of a straight one. Whether or not I'm right, that's the vibe I've gotten.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:32 am Reply with quote
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shannon wrote:
Befade wrote:
Ewan M. never came across as gay in anything else did he?


Well, everything about Moulin Rouge is pretty gay...

And The Velvet Goldmine, too, and literally, although it isn't very good.


It's just Velvet Goldmine, like the Bowie song it's named after. And while no masterpiece, it is better than you suggest.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:35 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
Catfish is kind of a waste of time. To get to a feature length run time, they drag out a bunch of their investigation and suspicion and the unfolding of the internet relationships*. Which leaves the question hanging of why they started filming this in the first place if they didn't know there was a good payoff. For anyone interested in the perils of internet relationships, talhotblond is a much more intriguing, much better constructed documentary on the same themes. I'd highly rec that and skipping Catfish.

Spoilage:

* Actually it would have been better if they focused on the internet relationships, and the web of deceit and the many characters created, rather than focusing on their juvenile and often boring reactions to the overall relationship. The whole payoff is that this woman created an elaborate deceit, and yet instead of documenting that deceit and its layers, they document their interactions and reactions, totally losing sight that Angela is the interesting one here, not these guys. It would have made things much more meaningful and poignant when we finally see Angela's reality. And we should have spent more time learning about Angela. Til the end, these guys think the story is how normal people like them -- meaning you -- can be duped on the internet. When the real story is the pathology and loneliness that this other person felt and how they manipulated the anonymity of the internet to live a different reality.


From what I've read, Catfish is almost surely a fake. Some recreation after the fact, and inserts of computer screen closeups. Plus, the whole thing, no pun intended, smells fishy.

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gromit
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:43 am Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:

From what I've read, Catfish is almost surely a fake. Some recreation after the fact, and inserts of computer screen closeups. Plus, the whole thing, no pun intended, smells fishy.


And Nanook is a fake as well (not even his real wife).

As long as there was a real internet relationship and the woman is indeed real and did present her family as the film says, I wouldn't call it a fake. But I did wonder when/why they started this project. Were they just interested in filming a My kid Could Paint That type doc about the youngest girl Abby? I did think that maybe some of the three collaborators interactions were re-staged. They did a poor job of explaining the transition from the focus on the youngest girl's paintings to the romance with the older daughter.


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