Third Eye Film Society Forum Index
Author Message

<  Third Eye Film Forums  ~  Current Film Talk

billyweeds
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:47 am Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City
Syd wrote:
I'll be really surprised if anything other than The Social Network wins the Academy awards for picture and director.


Me too, but expect real competition for Best Picture from The King's Speech. It could very possibly win that, though not director. IMO.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:54 am Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston
marantzo wrote:
The Covered Wagon was the 8th highest grosser of the 1920's (though I doubt you were going back that far.

Duel In the Sun was the 8th highest grosser in the 1940's.


That surprises me about Duel in the Sun, which actually I had thought was a flop. You're right I wasn't going back to the silent days. By the way, where are you getting your figures?

_________________
You've got a great brain. You should keep it in your head.

-Topher
View user's profile Send private message
Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:09 am Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston
I was somewhat misremembering my source, Larry McMurtry. What he said was "the most successful Western ever made, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, only ranks thirteen on Variety's list of all time moneymakers. The next Western to be ranked, How the West Was Won, is a measly twenty-third...If the potency and relevance of the Western myth are not sufficient to get even one film in the top ten, then how can one argue that Westerns are the myth we most want, need and accept?" The essay comes from sometime in the 1980's, collected in his book Film Flam.

_________________
You've got a great brain. You should keep it in your head.

-Topher
View user's profile Send private message
carrobin
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:10 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 7795 Location: NYC
I think moviegoers in other countries love westerns more than most Americans do. Westerns build a mythic image that Americans can view realistically but foreigners envy. (Actually, my favorite western is a TV movie, "Riders of the Purple Sage," with Ed Harris and Amy Madigan--I always liked Zane Grey. I also have a certain fondness for "The Big Country.") (Oh, and there's "Blazing Saddles," if that counts.)
View user's profile Send private message
billyweeds
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:26 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City
The Big Country is a truly great film, one of William Wyler's best--far better, for instance, than Mrs. Miniver or Ben-Hur. The reason, I believe, that TBC didn't get the same respect is because it's...wait for it...a Western.

In addition to marvelous performances by Jean Simmons and Burl Ives, and an uncharacteristically funny and charming one by Gregory Peck, it has one of the best movie soundtrack scores ever. Composer Jerome Moross created a genuine work of art.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:27 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston
I've never read Zane Grey, even though I always mean to.

The Western was a very cheap product to make back in the studio days. There was a consistent audience in certain parts of the country, and with little necessary in the way of budget it was an easy market to satisfy and profit from. The decline of the studio system (and by that I don't mean the corporations that still fund movies, but the system of permanent sets, backlots, props and animals--and a distribution system to support them) meant pretty much the death of the Western.

Television Westerns were seen by vastly more people than movie Westerns were, and therefore seem to be much more successful. I don't know why. Or maybe that's just another sign of how inaccurate the Nelson ratings system is.

_________________
You've got a great brain. You should keep it in your head.

-Topher
View user's profile Send private message
inlareviewer
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:42 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 1949 Location: Lawrence, KS
marantzo, well, in my oh-so-humble view it's well worth the effort to seek out an English-language Megamind.

About Inception, one of the handful of moovees I actually plunked down my retrieved car-upholstery/sofa-cushion-gleaned change for to see in a theeyaytur last year: I didn't walk out, though sorely tempted at many junctures, but, while the special effects and such were certainly Something To See, and repeatedly the round-robin narrative kept raising my hopes that I would start catching up with it, Leo seemed faintly generic, if not dowright phoned-in (for him), neither Mlle. Cotillard nor Ellen Dearest were used to the maximum of their considerable abilities, and the whole thang wore out my spinning cerebellum way before it, as marantzo observed, actually got some cumulative point amid the whorl of Whose Head Are We In Now? Oh, Of Course: Christopher Nolan's whangdoodlery.

On the Social Network/King's Speech juggle-up, it indeed seems that Mr. Hooper could be this year's semi-annual Egregious Directorial Omission, leaving that prize open to Mr. Fincher (mainly His To Lose for so many reasons), yet King's Speech snags the Big One -- unless, to resort yet again to my overused term for such things, the two films cause a logjam (not anticipating that, but you never know). It's obviously only my conjecture prior to the nominations, yet it wouldn't surprise me, though neither would a Social Network win on high, actually. What would shock me into an outright nervous breakdown, would be if Aaron Sorkin and Colin Firth were to lose their respective Sure Bet slots.

Haven't seen True Grit yet. One dear friend, a very savvy English teacher liked it a lot, especially its adherence to the novel's darker contours and ending. We shall see whether Hailee Steinfeld's braids outstrip my adolescent identification with Kim Darby's bob, for starters, but can't possibly say when. Right now, there's a slew of ForLang films to catch up with, some last-minute Docus, The Illusionist, and Blue Valentine to be dealt with, after the East Clintwood and Like Meigh fillums enter the mix. I may faint, if I don't have an occlusion, or sump'n.

Oh, and when the George Roy Hill ARE the Blanche nominations starting (bad, bad Calendar)? And where the McGraw-Hill IS chilly's mailing address (bad, bad Carbonite)? And why, oh, why, the Harold Hill do I ALWAYS wind up at the first of the following year seriously catching up with the previous year's unseen output (bad, bad Year From Planet You-Know-Where)?

Once more, with flailing: It's always like this, only this year, it's even more like this than usual.

_________________
"And take extra care with strangers/Even flowers have their dangers/And though scary is exciting/Nice is different than good." --Stephen Sondheim
View user's profile Send private message
billyweeds
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:10 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City
Hailee Steinfeld's current and growing overpraise has made me want to see the original again in order to reappraise Kim Darby. Darby was admittedly too old for the role, but Steinfeld (who has now been anointed with a "one of the Best Actresses of the Year" accolades by the one and only--thank heavens--Manohla Dargis) is adequate and not one whit more. She's learned the lines and says them really really fast as if she knows what they mean, and that's all I'll give her.

Meanwhile, the NYTimes critics can't seem to make up their minds whether Another Year's Lesley Manville is a Best Actress (Stephen Holden) or a Best Supphose (A.O. Scott). Dargis, of course, doesn't think Manville is worthy of a nod next to Steinfeld or anyone else.

About Manohla, all I can say is "feh."

inla--Will the difficulty of categorizing Manville's performance mean she'll be up the creek without a paddle come nomination day? Or what?
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:00 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston
That's an interesting take. I've heard nothing but praise for Steinfeld, and her interpretation seems to be taken as a major female empowerment moment. I'm somewhat reminded (this will probably seem weird) of the way everyone responded to Christina Ricci's Wednesday Addams (well, they dress alike, anyway).

The original True Grit looks terrible from the little bits I've seen. A typical later bad Wayne Western (long after he stopped caring to associate himself with quality craftsmen). I should read the book.

For the record, I'd be quite happy to see The Social Network win. I liked it a lot, and it was surprisingly interesting considering the subject. But I think Billy you're probably right both about it not winning and the reason why.

_________________
You've got a great brain. You should keep it in your head.

-Topher
View user's profile Send private message
Marc
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:07 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 8424
Billy,

the two "real" people I was with, Mirgun and my Uncle Richard, also loved True Grit. The audience in Dallas also seemed to be digging it.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
billyweeds
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:12 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City
Joe Vitus wrote:
That's an interesting take. I've heard nothing but praise for Steinfeld, and her interpretation seems to be taken as a major female empowerment moment. I'm somewhat reminded (this will probably seem weird) of the way everyone responded to Christina Ricci's Wednesday Addams (well, they dress alike, anyway).

The original True Grit looks terrible from the little bits I've seen. A typical later bad Wayne Western (long after he stopped caring to associate himself with quality craftsmen). I should read the book.

For the record, I'd be quite happy to see The Social Network win. I liked it a lot, and it was surprisingly interesting considering the subject. But I think Billy you're probably right both about it not winning and the reason why.


You've, I think, gotten my point wrong. I think The Social Network will win, but I wouldn't bet on it due to the strong support for The King's Speech.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
billyweeds
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:12 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City
Marc wrote:
Billy,

the two "real" people I was with, Mirgun and my Uncle Richard, also loved True Grit. The audience in Dallas also seemed to be digging it.


Cool. I wish I felt the same way. I love the Coens and want everything they make to be on a level with Fargo.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
jeremy
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:57 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 6794 Location: Derby, England and Hamilton, New Zealand (yes they are about 12,000 miles apart)
For obvious reasons, the Western is (or was) the most uniquely American and iconic movie genres. At a time when most of the world was not free or were econimically and socially constrained, the apparent freedom and excitement of the frontier must have been beguiling. Also, for all their apparent hardships, people were rarely portrayed as cold or underfed.

And for all its lawlessness, the films were usually characterised by an almost Utopian equality, were underpinned by a strong moral code, and the law applied to protect the vulnerable. It's difficult for us to realise how powerful these concepts may have been.

_________________
I am angry, I am ill, and I'm as ugly as sin.
My irritability keeps me alive and kicking.
I know the meaning of life, it doesn't help me a bit.
I know beauty and I know a good thing when I see it.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:20 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston
billyweeds wrote:
Joe Vitus wrote:
That's an interesting take. I've heard nothing but praise for Steinfeld, and her interpretation seems to be taken as a major female empowerment moment. I'm somewhat reminded (this will probably seem weird) of the way everyone responded to Christina Ricci's Wednesday Addams (well, they dress alike, anyway).

The original True Grit looks terrible from the little bits I've seen. A typical later bad Wayne Western (long after he stopped caring to associate himself with quality craftsmen). I should read the book.

For the record, I'd be quite happy to see The Social Network win. I liked it a lot, and it was surprisingly interesting considering the subject. But I think Billy you're probably right both about it not winning and the reason why.


You've, I think, gotten my point wrong. I think The Social Network will win, but I wouldn't bet on it due to the strong support for The King's Speech.


Sorry about that. I thought you considered the downer nature of the movie would keep it from an Oscar win.

_________________
You've got a great brain. You should keep it in your head.

-Topher
View user's profile Send private message
Joe Vitus
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:22 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston
jeremy wrote:
For obvious reasons, the Western is (or was) the most uniquely American and iconic movie genres. At a time when most of the world was not free or were econimically and socially constrained, the apparent freedom and excitement of the frontier must have been beguiling. Also, for all their apparent hardships, people were rarely portrayed as cold or underfed.

And for all its lawlessness, the films were usually characterised by an almost Utopian equality, were underpinned by a strong moral code, and the law applied to protect the vulnerable. It's difficult for us to realise how powerful these concepts may have been.


I love Westerns. I hope I wasn't giving a false impression. They just aren't top moneymakers. In most cases.

_________________
You've got a great brain. You should keep it in your head.

-Topher
View user's profile Send private message

Display posts from previous:  

All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Page 2512 of 3196
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 2511, 2512, 2513 ... 3194, 3195, 3196  Next
Post new topic

Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum