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| billyweeds |
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| I don't love Westerns--they're probably my least favorite movie genre--but I was totally ready to love True Grit. Perhaps too ready, which is why I was so disappointed. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:27 pm |
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American westerns (they best ones and the next to best) were shown in Paris (Left Bank), all the time. I caught up on the ones I missed.
The first poster I saw when I descended into my first metro station was one for L'homme Qui Tue Liberty Valence (forgive the spelling and lack of accents.) It was current at the time. |
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| inlareviewer |
| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:22 pm |
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Such interesting discourses since I ran out to get the Furrbawl his Science Diet (in, I might add, the latest torrential wash in this already soggy -- and unnaturally glacial of temperature -- city, but I digress). Wayeh kewel. Let's see....
I wouldn't be surprised nor upsot, should Social Network take Pest Bicture. Although it didn't affect me as much as it and I hoped it would, it's still pretty brilliant in its conception and execution, and, again, is quite well-regarded in Howleyward. Also, Facebook, personal betrayals, conflicting POVS and bitter lawsuits are beyond ubiquitous in The Fillum Indostry, so there's some identification factor there, if only subliminally. Another advantage, at least as of now, is bigger box office grosses than King's Speech, though that could well change a bit once King's Weinstein rollout into wider release transpires. Am hoping, as ever, for a Night of Wild Unexpected Turns, while preparing, as usual, for PreDigested Predictability, so any suspense is a blessing.
billy, your guess is as good as mine about Ms. Manville, since i haven't yet seen the film (but am already most fond of her, so that's all right). Uncle Kenneth called her performance "indescribable" in his LAT notice, and a sizeable number of prognOscarcators think she may well show up. The tricky part does seem to be which category. Also, the film is just now appearing, much like Blue Valentine and Frankie Goes To Hallewired , which doesn't very often allow for more than one Late Entry Dark Horse in the top categories, if that. Will stay hopeful, since I very much cotton to her brittle transparency and emotional reserves.
Can say, however,with some moroseness, that evidently neither Mr. Carrey nor Mr. McGregor will be in contention for Phillip Morris. Well, shoot.
Speaking of which, I love a great many Westerns, some of them even directed by someone other than John Ford, Henry Hathaway, Howard Hawks, Sam Peckinpah, Wiiliam Wellman, John Sturges and/or East Clintwood. Will have to wait and see whether New Grit joins the ranks or is rank; though its predecessor was unquestionably soft-centered and now seems inarguably dated and commercially contrived, it still grabbed me as a kid, and not just due to Ms. Darby and I having identical hair.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:49 pm |
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Billy,
I'm hoping to find the time to share with you and everyone what I liked about True Grit. But I must see it again. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:53 pm |
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| Just thought of another western I like, though I haven't seen it in years--"The Oklahoma Kid," with James Cagney and Humphrey Bogart (both pretty young at the time). Cagney singing "I don't wanna play in your yard" in the saloon is a moment to remember. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:20 pm |
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| A western that is right at the top of my list of favourites with a few non-overlooked ones, is The Culpepper Cattle Company, but you all know that. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:26 am |
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That ought to be "y'all" Mr. Marantz. I don't know why. It just sounds right.
I think I like westerns less than anyone here. I didn't even like High Noon. Sorry Billy. I guess the closest I've come to liking a western was Butch and Sundance and I don't know if that's a proper western or not. And I saw it once, and probably liked it because Newman and Redford were at their cutest. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:58 am |
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Walter Hill's The Long Riders is a terrific western.
El Topo is a western on acid and I love it. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:43 am |
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Anthony Mann -- The Furies, The Naked Spur, Winchester '73, Man of the West
William A. Wellman -- The Ox-Bow Incident, Yellow Sky
Johnny Guitar
Day of the Outlaw
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:41 am |
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gromit wrote: Anthony Mann -- The Furies, The Naked Spur, Winchester '73, Man of the West
William A. Wellman -- The Ox-Bow Incident, Yellow Sky
Johnny Guitar
Day of the Outlaw
The Big Trail
Rancho Notorious
Never saw The Long Riders, Man of the West, Yellow Sky, Day of the Outlaw, or The Big Trail. El Topo is not my sugar cube. But the others I've seen and (to one degree or another) I like. Johnny Guitar is my favorite, but don't think of it as a "Western," just high camp. Anything starring Marlene Dietrich and/or directed by Fritz Lang is okay by me, so I'm good with Rancho Notorious. The Furies is interesting and that scene with the scissors is amazing, and The Ox-Bow Incident is as close to a classic Western (i.e., the kind I don't like) as anything on this list, but it's too good to hate. I remain completely immune to The Searchers, Red River, and Rio Bravo, so don't even try.
High Noon, Shane, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, The Big Country. These are the "classic Westerns" I love. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:53 am |
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billyweeds wrote: I don't love Westerns--they're probably my least favorite movie genre--but I was totally ready to love True Grit. Perhaps too ready, which is why I was so disappointed. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:57 am |
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See Culpepper, Billy. Or have you seen it already? It's as realist and grim as a cattle drive gets. No John Wayne western here, but more than a bit of Peckinpah.
I've never been a great western fan either. When I was a kid I was always disappointed when westerns were the Saturday matinee at our neighbourhood theatre. Though I liked the Hopalong Cassidy series.  No to Roy Rogers and Gene Autry. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:02 am |
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marantzo wrote: See Culpepper, Billy. Or have you seen it already? It's as realist and grim as a cattle drive gets. No John Wayne western here, but more than a bit of Peckinpah.
I've never been a great western fan either. When I was a kid I was always disappointed when westerns were the Saturday matinee at our neighbourhood theatre. Though I liked the Hopalong Cassidy series. No to Roy Rogers and Gene Autry.
Gary--Wasn't terribly taken with Culpepper. Not so turned off that I wanted to open a can of worms about it, but clearly not in your camp. |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:03 am |
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The Misfits
El Topo
McCabe & Mrs. Miller
Unforgiven
3:10 to Yuma (yes, the remake)
Riders of the Purple Sage (the one with Ed Harris)
High Noon
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
The Treasure of Sierra Madre
...a few faves off the top of my head. (Gary, I'm going to rent Culpepper, as I cain't hardly remember it anymore....I think I liked it, as a lad...) |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:18 am |
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| I liked the original "3:10 to Yuma," but mostly because I had a slight crush on Glenn Ford at the time. Didn't care for "Shane" when I finally saw it on TV; I had read the book and loved it, and Alan Ladd just wasn't Shane. |
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