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mirgun
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:25 am Reply with quote
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Why do we HAVE to write a certain way? haiku's are more clever than saying "I like it" or "it was funny" I. personally never wrote a haiku in my life but if someone is inclined to write their review in haiku form it's fine by me. And if they want to elaborate in the normal form later, it's also fine by me.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:41 am Reply with quote
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I think Lorne's point is that he set up this forum so people hesitant because they didn't have time for a "serious" review could just dash something off. It was a way to get more activity going. And it did. But if this forum becomes a haiku competition, and it looks to be heading that way, then people will be similarly hesitant, post less, and that would defeat the purpose.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:42 am Reply with quote
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Joe, haikus are hardly pretentious. I was having some fun. Enjoying myself. Okay? At this point, any activity in this desolate circle jerk should be welcome.


Well, they aren't pretentious to you. Discussing Pagnol wasn't pretentious to me. I think pretention is what Lorne sees and wants to avoid, because it alienates people.

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Syd
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:03 am Reply with quote
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What, no haikus?

Robin Hood

An archer returned from Crusading
Found himself the husband of Maiden
When he fought for real
With his Maiden in steel
Then he found occupation in raiding.


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Marc
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:04 am Reply with quote
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But if this forum becomes a haiku competition, and it looks to be heading that way


I don't think so.
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Marc
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:13 am Reply with quote
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When You're Strange *** 1/2

Jim The Lizard King
Dances in silver nitrate
The film got me high
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Syd
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:16 am Reply with quote
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mirgun wrote:
Why do we HAVE to write a certain way? haiku's are more clever than saying "I like it" or "it was funny" I. personally never wrote a haiku in my life but if someone is inclined to write their review in haiku form it's fine by me. And if they want to elaborate in the normal form later, it's also fine by me.


I fear the day when we start writing reviews in sonnet form. Not quite as much as terza rima, but there are some things a sane human should not contemplate.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:24 am Reply with quote
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Marc,

I have no dog in this fight. I tried to explain what Lorne meant, and to make a comparison with a concern of you had expressed earlier. But maybe I'm wrong about his meaning, and maybe it doesn't matter in any case. Peace.

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Marc
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:26 am Reply with quote
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I think pretention is what Lorne sees and wants to avoid, because it alienates people.


Frankly, I don't care what Lorne sees. There has never been, and should never be, any restrictions on how we structure a film review. If the idea of this forum is to present a short review, certainly a haiku, a couplet, a Zen Koan, or whatever short form you desire, fits into the theme. I didn't start with the haikus. But, when others posted a few, I found it clever and fun. No harm done. Suddenly, the brain police show up dictating what is acceptable and what is not. Fine. I get it. No haikus.

Alienate people. That's funny. What people? You, Joe? Me?
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Syd
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:31 am Reply with quote
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Marc wrote:
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I think pretention is what Lorne sees and wants to avoid, because it alienates people.


Frankly, I don't care what Lorne sees. There has never been, and should never be, any restrictions on how we structure a film review. If the idea of this forum is to present a short review, certainly a haiku, a couplet, a Zen Koan, or whatever short form you desire, fits into the theme. I didn't start with the haikus. But, when others posted a few, I found it clever and fun. No harm done. Suddenly, the brain police show up dictating what is acceptable and what is not. Fine. I get it. No haikus.

Alienate people. That's funny. What people? You, Joe? Me?


Haiku film reviews are fun, as long as you're doing it for fun. I tend toward limericks myself, but as long as you don't imitate Edmund Spenser, I say go for it.

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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:33 am Reply with quote
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I'm just saying that in the same way you warned off a potential forum becasue you thought it would alieante people, Lorne is warning off haiku responses for the same reason.Neither is a case of censorship. Maybe he should have worded it differently. But it's not that big a deal.

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Marc
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:50 am Reply with quote
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Joe,

I think any discussion about film, theater, music, tv, books, etc. should be embraced at this point. We tried to recruit new members. It didn't work, for whatever reasons. Now, we should enjoy what we have.

I am embarrassed to have not contributed more to the Coen Brothers discussion. Whiskey has written some of the best shit to have ever appeared in these forums and it has been met with a deafening silence. In the past few months, Mirgun has been transitioning from NYC to Austin. Stuff is being moved, plans are being made, and I haven't really had the time to give the Coen Brothers forum the attention that it deserves. The haikus were my way of re-engaging with the forum. Lorne's attempt to outlaw them, just as I was having some with them, is alienating. I mean really, what IS the big fucking deal? Since when do we need moderating? Are we not men?
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:58 am Reply with quote
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How are they outlawed? Were they removed? Has anyone been suspended for using them? I think you're overreacting.

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Marc
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:59 am Reply with quote
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I fear the day when we start writing reviews in sonnet form.


Syd, you read my mind. I was actually going to post a comment about reviewing films in sonnet form. I'll leave it to Whiskey.
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Marc
Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:09 am Reply with quote
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I guess you're saying Lost in America isn't as good as Easy Rider.


No. Not at all. I thought it was clear what I was saying. I'll repeat. "A Winnebago ain't no Easy Rider". Meaning, driving across the USA in a bigass recreational vehicle has little in common with Easy Rider, which was what Albert Brooks's character was trying to emulate. I love both Easy Rider and Lost In America. Easy Rider absolutely blew me away when I saw it in San Francisco in 1969. I was 18.
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