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| Joe Vitus |
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| Disagree about the ending, but then The Merchant of Venice is really not about Shylock. It's about the friendship between Antonio and Bassanio, and the tension Bassanio's courtship of Portia brings to their relationship. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:34 am |
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The ending I am talking about is when they are back at, I don't know who's house and the characters are all sort of goofing around and having some kind of jolly time. Really stupid. As entertaining as watching a bunch of frat boys kidding with each other. I wasn't referring to the end of the trial, in case you were thinking that.
Why they costumed the woman advocate who was masquerading as a man in such a stupid and transparent disguise made no sense even if it was supposed to mirror what they thought might be how they did it at the Globe in Shake's time. Which would have been played by a male anyway, I believe. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:26 am |
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| Sorry, misunderstood. Haven't re-read the play in about seven years. Probably should. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:43 am |
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| I was referring to the movie. I don't think I have ever read the whole play. And I don't know if the final scenes in the movie are also the final scenes in the play. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:50 pm |
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marantzo wrote: The ending I am talking about is when they are back at, I don't know who's house and the characters are all sort of goofing around and having some kind of jolly time. Really stupid. As entertaining as watching a bunch of frat boys kidding with each other. I wasn't referring to the end of the trial, in case you were thinking that.
Why they costumed the woman advocate who was masquerading as a man in such a stupid and transparent disguise made no sense even if it was supposed to mirror what they thought might be how they did it at the Globe in Shake's time. Which would have been played by a male anyway, I believe.
I just looked up the play on Google Books. Shylock exits near the end of Act IV, and Act V is pretty much as you describe. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:01 pm |
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| Glad to hear that Syd, because I remember more of what I felt about that act, rather than the specifics. William, like any working playwright at the time must have wanted to play to the audience and I suspect that most of the audience was none too sophisticated. Hey, he had to make a living. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:29 pm |
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I rewatched 25th Hour. If I were making my decade's top ten list, it certainly would be on it. This is about as true a film can be to its story. Ed Norton, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Rosario Dawson, Barry Pepper, Anna Paquin, Brian Cox - all flawless. I sure would like to see more of Pepper. (I only remember him as the sniper in Saving Pvt. Ryan, calling down God's wrath upon his targets.)
I love Norton's hate montage monologue, followed later by its flip side. And the ending should surprise you, unless you've got Spike Lee figured out by now. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:07 pm |
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Yambu,
I just got The 25TH HOUR today. I'll watch it tonight. I wasn't knocked out by it when I first saw it years ago, but 'm ready to have my mind changed. It's appearing on a lot of "best of the decade" lists. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:58 pm |
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| I believe the title of the Spike Lee film is 25th Hour although IMDb lists it both with and without the "the." The 25th Hour is an Anthony Quinn World War II film which has haunted me for twenty or more years; it's the one where he's a Romanian peasant who pretty much winds up on all sides in World War II. IMBd lists it as a drama, but I think of it as a very harrowing, very, very black comedy. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:04 pm |
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| This is the only film I've seen where characters briefly appear to be on some sort of coveyor belt. I think it worked the both times it was used, to highlight important inward-feeling moments. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:23 pm |
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Spike Lee is in person for a showing of his films in Flagstaff......unless the snow kept him away.
FIVE EASY PIECES
I hadn't seen this for years but picked up a copy for a dollar at a garage sale. Somebody help me........This film doesn't fit into any comfortable slot that I can think of. A thirty-something bored and irritable man. A sexy, dumb red-head under the covers moping along with Tammy Wynette. These two are the most dysfunctional couple I've ever seen on screen.
This could be INTO THE WILD as a tale of Alaska bound misfits. When talking about this film the focus seems to be on the diner scene with Jack Nicholson ordering a menu item with many holds. I'd focus on the scene with the 2 lesbians in the back seat talking about how Alaska is clean and America is filthy.
Since when does the disaffected son of a wealthy musical family leave home to work in the oil fields of Texas (or was it Oklahoma?) What is this film about and what does it relate to? 1970. A downer ending....... |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:52 pm |
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| It's a gorgeous looking movie, and probably one of my favorite Nicholson performances. Though I could have done without seeing Sally Struthers' breasts. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:18 pm |
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| I liked Five Easy Pieces enough, but never came near to thinking it was anything but OK. I found his situation with the woman in the second half of the film (it's a long time ago), was boring as hell and very annoying to boot. Oh wait, now I remember, I really didn't like the movie at all. Big disappointment considering all the hoopla at the time. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:39 pm |
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| It spoke to me, and that overcame whatever problems there were (though it was over ten years ago for me, too, and I don't have specific memories about the plot). Nicholson didn't fit into the world he was born into, but didn't fit into the world he escaped into, either. He was lost, and I could identify. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:35 pm |
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Well I was driving a cab in New York at the time and we never get lost.
I had no problem with Nicholson's psychological journey. In fact the first part of the journey was interesting, but then it just got.....well I said it in my last post. |
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