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Marc |
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:03 pm |
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Stephen Lang is going to be on CNN tonight to discuss whether or not Avatar is anti-American. This I want to see. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:25 pm |
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It's anti-Earthling. |
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McBain |
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:32 pm |
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Marc wrote: Stephen Lang is going to be on CNN tonight to discuss whether or not Avatar is anti-American. This I want to see.
Is Avatar anti-American?
No.
This has been another edition of easy answers to easy questions. |
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Marc |
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:39 pm |
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Is Avatar anti-American?
Avatar is clearly critical of American military policy when it comes to Native Americans, Vietnam, Iraq. The aliens who attack Pandora with the intent of decimating in order to claim it's bounty are AMERICANS. And they are depicted as evil murdering thugs. Of course, there are a handful of good guys in the film who are Americans. But, overall the message of the film is a straight up condemnation of American militarism and corporate greed. |
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McBain |
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:42 pm |
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Marc wrote: Is Avatar anti-American?
Avatar is clearly critical of American military policy when it comes to Native Americans, Vietnam, Iraq. The aliens who attack Pandora with the intent of decimating in order to claim it's bounty are AMERICANS. And they are depicted as evil murdering thugs. Of course, there are a handful of good guys in the film who are Americans. But, overall the message of the film is a straight up condemnation of American militarism and corporate greed.
Criticism of American policy/history through art/speech doesn't get more American. |
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Marc |
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:52 pm |
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Quote: Criticism of American policy/history through art/speech doesn't get more American.
Al, you're absolutely right. Being anti-American when America is wrong is being truly American. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:45 am |
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I usually like alien movies where the aliens are the real bad guys. That's why I was turned off by Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I hate touchy-feely aliens. H. G. Wells had the right idea. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:21 am |
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marantzo wrote: I usually like alien movies where the aliens are the real bad guys. That's why I was turned off by Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I hate touchy-feely aliens.  H. G. Wells had the right idea.
It's not as clear-cut in Avatar. Don't be fooled by the plot descriptions. You would be silly to miss this one. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:32 am |
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I don't plan to miss Avatar. It's not like I avoid movies with good aliens, it's just when they get sappy that I get turned off. Mars Attacks was a wonderful critique of those kind of films. I certainly didn't hate CEotTK. A lot of the visuals were impressive, but it is certainly not high on my Sci Fi list.
District 9, had bad earthlings and admirable aliens and it was terrific. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:02 am |
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marantzo wrote: I don't plan to miss Avatar. It's not like I avoid movies with good aliens, it's just when they get sappy that I get turned off. Mars Attacks was a wonderful critique of those kind of films. I certainly didn't hate CEotTK. A lot of the visuals were impressive, but it is certainly not high on my Sci Fi list.
District 9, had bad earthlings and admirable aliens and it was terrific.
There are individual scenes in Close Encounters that I think are brilliant, but the thing as a whole turned me off, for the reasons you've cited. And because it seemed ten hours long. Avatar is perhaps even longer than CEofTK, but flies by. Must admit Cameron is some kind of genius. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:48 am |
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Quote: There are individual scenes in Close Encounters that I think are brilliant...
Yeah, that's why I didn't hate it, but it could have been really good. Disappointing. It did seem to go on and on.
The scientists and others who were working on the UFO case were, to a man (and woman if we include the woman that Dreyfus hooks up with). were no one I would want to spend five minutes with. Even Truffaut, who plays the same kind of character....agog in wonderment.  |
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:06 am |
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marantzo wrote: Quote: There are individual scenes in Close Encounters that I think are brilliant...
Yeah, that's why I didn't hate it, but it could have been really good. Disappointing. It did seem to go on and on.
The scientists and others who were working on the UFO case were, to a man (and woman if we include the woman that Dreyfus hooks up with). were no one I would want to spend five minutes with. Even Truffaut, who plays the same kind of character....agog in wonderment. 
Couldn't agree more.
Funny that--since you like mean, nasty aliens--you didn't like Signs. Guess you don't like stupid aliens either. I love them. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:22 am |
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Didn't like the silly humans and not enough aliens. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:53 am |
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I liked without loving Close Encounters. I'll see Avatar on the recommendation of everyone here, but I've not interest in it. |
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carrobin |
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:24 am |
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I haven't seen "Avatar" yet, but it sounds like the humans are the "bad aliens" involved. Which makes me even more interested in seeing it.
I liked "Close Encounters," but then I like anything with Richard Dreyfuss. |
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