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| Melody |
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| I posted my review of The Last Seduction in Couch so as to stay on topic. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:05 am |
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billyweeds wrote: Joe--Have you ever seen Buchholz in Billy Wilder's One Two Three?
Yes. Didn't care for the movie. First time I saw him, and I thought, who's the hot German? |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:07 am |
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Melody wrote: I posted my review of The Last Seduction in Couch so as to stay on topic.
It doesn't matter, because I'm turning this into someplace you don't want to be. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:22 pm |
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| Joe--I don't know what's irking you. Well, I guess I do. But please stop. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:10 am |
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So I saw Antichrist yesterday.
And I can truthfully say that while I do like Lars von Trier, and I think he had something, and something potentially very powerful - to say here - I pretty much can't suggest to *anyone* I know that they should go see this movie. Not because of the storyline (though that had a few stumbles and glaring suspension-of-disbelief moments), not because of the cinematography or anything (the opening scene is very beautiful, though sad) - just some of the things that happened really made you cringe in your seat.
...And the cringing - wasn't really *necessary*. Now that I think about it, that's really what the problem was. Although it definitely kept you awake, LOL.
They had "I survived Antichrist" t-shirts at the theater. That was definitely appropriate.
I'll see what other people said later today (it's probably going to be pretty busy here). And I have some thoughts about what von Trier was trying to accomplish I'd like to jot down (if not post). But - yesh. First she unhed, then she urked, then she (no sound exists in this universe for this) then *he* urphed... Maaaaaaaaaan.
I liked the "she" and "he" thing, too, although I think it worked slightly better in Yes.
...Writing this is making me realize a few things about the movie, though.
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Then I saw Milk, which was positively a sunshiny day after that. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:58 am |
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Actually... having just sent an email to my sister about Antichrist - I'm beginning to realize that since von Trier is definitely not stupid (and I very well hit that mark a lot lately) and I may just be able to come up with a reversal / defense of Antichrist. %^O
Although I still wouldn't suggest it to 99% of my friends. *Maybe* the guy who used to be a PA. |
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| Joe Vitus |
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I'll be interested to read your further response. What probably keeps me away from the movie is that I get the impression Von Trier is out to assault the audience. And I don't want to be assaulted. I think in my early 20's I would have already seen it. But I find I'm getting less, not more, desensitized to violence, both physical and psychological (I wrote a few months ago about revisiting Blue Velvet and finding the movie that cracked me up in my 20s is just too dark now).
I think if I felt he were just following the logical course for these particular characters, even with the same incidents, they would be filmed in a way maybe I could feel for them and try to relate. The basic humanistic approach. But this doesn't sound humanistic to me. It sounds like a punishment. And I can't understand the reason for seeing it.
So, anyway, I hope you can give me some insight into all of that. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:24 pm |
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| I'm surprised we haven't done a David Lynch forum. Or have we? |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:36 pm |
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Marc wrote: I'm surprised we haven't done a David Lynch forum. Or have we?
I don't think we have, either. That could get interesting. The only two of his films I've seen are Dune, which I hated, and Mulholland Dr., which I liked. |
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In fact, if you wanted to burn people's brains out, we could follow it with Ken Russell. He even directed a short entitled Revenge of the Elephant Man.
Speaking of brains, I never realized Ken Russell directed Billion Dollar Brain. |
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| I'd like to see more of Russell's work on DVD. Women in Love is out there, and probably it should be the one if any since it was Rusell's one big connection with a large audience. Tommy's out there, too. But The Music Lovers is not, and it's probably the quintessential Russell work. Nor are The Devils (surely a movie like Blue Velvet that is not for me anymore) or Mahler, though they once were and apparently still are for Region 2 owners. Or the atypical fare, Savage Messiah and The Boy Friend, both of which have strong if small followings. Or Valentino. Huge omissions from his major period. |
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| marantzo |
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| Lynch has done some good stuff, Syd. An uncharacteristic Lynch film, though having a number of Lynchian touches, is The Straight Story which is great, with a perfect performance by Richard Farnsworth (should have got Best Actor Oscar (posthumously). A must see, in my book. |
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| lady wakasa |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I'll be interested to read your further response. What probably keeps me away from the movie is that I get the impression Von Trier is out to assault the audience. And I don't want to be assaulted. I think in my early 20's I would have already seen it. But I find I'm getting less, not more, desensitized to violence, both physical and psychological (I wrote a few months ago about revisiting Blue Velvet and finding the movie that cracked me up in my 20s is just too dark now).
I think if I felt he were just following the logical course for these particular characters, even with the same incidents, they would be filmed in a way maybe I could feel for them and try to relate. The basic humanistic approach. But this doesn't sound humanistic to me. It sounds like a punishment. And I can't understand the reason for seeing it.
So, anyway, I hope you can give me some insight into all of that.
Well, I just emailed the former PA. He said he must be getting old, because he was disturbed by the shock stuff in *Bruno.* Very much LOL, because this was the guy who used to be in a punk rock band.
...actually, his response was very much like yours. And something I was thinking about myself right after seeing Antichrist.
Okay, that was the only person I could think of who might've been able to get through it.
I don't think it was quite assaulting - or more that there *was* a good reason for it, it wasn't done just for the shock value (whether or not it was successfully done). But I don't know if most of the audience is going to get beyond the emotions raised by the shock to really think about the reasoning. *That's* what started to occur to me today.
I'll see what I can do about writing it up, though it looks like I'll be at work late again tonight. %^< |
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| I have never liked any Russell movie that I've seen, except his BBC TV production of Isadora Duncan, the Biggest Dancer in the World . His movies looked like they were directed by a Gay guy with a serious methamphetamine habit. I walked out on The Boy Friend. |
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| Marj |
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| I'm still curious about The Boy Friend. I don't know why it's still not on DVD. And I doubt it has anything to do with bad reviews or what have you. I do want to see it and make up my own mind, thank you very much. |
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