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| yambu |
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Syd wrote: I saw Something Wicked This Way Comes and Local Hero back to back, which was a mistake. Local Hero is so underplayed in comparison that it almost disappeared. It took a couple more viewings to realize what a great picture it is..... |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:57 pm |
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Syd wrote: Sometimes, though, someone will tell you a term is offensive when the people it refers to don't find it particularly offensive, or only a small percentage do. For instance, most Native Americans don't find "American Indian" offensive or the other way around. (I arbitrarily differentiate by including Eskimos among the Native Americans, but not American Indians, since they are very distinct and migrated many millennia later.)
And most African-Americans I know have no problem whatsoever with the word "black." It's mostly white liberals who have dubbed it offensive. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:03 pm |
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| I was always disturbed when I was in Brooklyn and they would suggest that we order Chink food. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:18 pm |
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Syd wrote: Sometimes, though, someone will tell you a term is offensive when the people it refers to don't find it particularly offensive, or only a small percentage do. For instance, most Native Americans don't find "American Indian" offensive or the other way around.
I had thought they were touchy about it. Thanks for teaching me something. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:27 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Syd wrote: Sometimes, though, someone will tell you a term is offensive when the people it refers to don't find it particularly offensive, or only a small percentage do. For instance, most Native Americans don't find "American Indian" offensive or the other way around.
I had thought they were touchy about it. Thanks for teaching me something.
A few are, but it's hard to tell which way they're touchy. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:46 pm |
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| I'm not sure I've talked to a single Native American/American Indian about this, nor am I sure I've ever known one. Which when you think about it is kinda strange. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:19 pm |
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| Winnipeg has the largest Indian (First Nations) population in Canada and no, they don't mind being referred to as Indians. Most of them say, "That's what we are." |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm |
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| They don't prefer "Native Canadian"? |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: They don't prefer "Native Canadian"?
No such term up here. |
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| Earl |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:55 pm |
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marantzo wrote: Winnipeg has the largest Indian (First Nations) population in Canada and no, they don't mind being referred to as Indians. Most of them say, "That's what we are."
So they're from India, then? |
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| Earl |
| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:08 pm |
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| By the way, back in Spring of this year a few of us were touting Adventureland. It's out on DVD now. Those of you who haven't seen it yet, give it a look. Strongly recommended from this corner. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:03 am |
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The documentary Stranded: I've Come from a Plane That Crashed on the Mountain recreates the 1972 plane crash on the snow-clad Andes. The plane was carrying Uruguayan rugby team to Chile. There were 24 survivors. Because of the stormy weather, aerial search was often interrupted and after the 13th day it was discontinued. Eventually, after 10 weeks they were able to establish contact with the civilized world. How they survived, using and rationing all their resources, and eventually using the ultimte resource, human flesh, is recounted by the original survivors in re-enacted scenes, narrations of their thoughts fears and dreams during the ordeal, as well as with some original footage. Quite a remarkable documentary.
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:44 pm |
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Watching Lonely Are The Brave (1962). Quite a cast. I actually picked it up curious to see some early Gena Rowlands. Here she plays a country housewife. Only once does she break out of the sweet false female voice of the type which dominates the first two decades of post-war cinema. But for a few angry lines we get to hear her distinctive voice and accent.
The film stars Kirk Douglas as a cowboy loner who doesn't mind getting into some fights or some trouble, while he lives life his way. In supporting roles, Walter Matthau plays a sheriff, George Kennedy a tough jailhouse guard, William Schallert a meek deputy, and Carroll O'Connor a truck driver. Quite a nice collection of talent, all set to become quite well-known later in the 60's and 70's. Adapted screenplay by Dalton Trumbo.
After setting up the characters and themes (no room left for a rugged individualist, as there's no more frontier West), the film switches in the second half to a manhunt.
Matthau puts in a very strong performance, nice Trumbo touches in fleshing out the characters, and Douglas seems to be having fun portraying a likable rogue. I'm surprised that this film isn't better known. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:55 pm |
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Lonely Are the Brave used to be a genuine cult film among those of us who saw it when it first came out. Kirk Douglas IMO gives one of his very finest performances. Much more than just a "likable rogue," he is positioned as the very last real cowboy, and at the very unusual climax, he undergoes a serious crisis. Matthau, Schallert, and Rowlands are all fine, but it's Douglas's show all the way.
The "problem" with the movie, which I admire very, very much for its uncompromising stand, is that it's a little too dogmatic and agenda-oriented. (Typified by Carroll O'Connor driving a truck full of toilet seats, as I recall.) This makes it less than great but also makes it quite memorable. It's a movie I wholeheartedly recommend and have been recommending since 1962, when I first saw it on the Champs-Elysees in Paris, where Schallert's oft-repeated "Right!" was translated in the subtitles as "Dac!" (Short for "D'accord!") |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:36 pm |
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| From the near-sublime to the ridiculous-though-somewhat-entertaining, I saw While She Was Out starring Kim Basinger. Basinger herself executive produced this gory women's-empowerment semi-horror film, where Kim runs afoul of some punks on Christmas Eve in a California shopping mall. Why did I see this piece of crap? Because I thought it might be fun--and it was, sort of. Much more so than the other Basinger movie I caught the night before, The Informers, which is sleazy to the max despite its star-studded roster--Basinger is joined by Billy Bob Thornton, Winona Ryder, and others. It's a look at the underbelly of Hollywood, with major and minor "players" getting laid, making deals, ODing on drugs, getting run over by cars, etc. Ick. |
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