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| marantzo |
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| I'm not at all sure why you guys and gal disliked Schmidt so much. I liked it the first time and liked it even more the second. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:26 am |
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| Sideways. . . *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:04 am |
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ehle64 wrote: Sideways. . . *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*
Why so negative? |
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| Befade |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:33 pm |
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The book (and it's sequel) are quite different and more interesting. Schmidt is a NYC banker.
The movie certainly did not cast older women in a favorable light. (butt of jokes)
I recently watched Citizen Ruth with Laura Dern and was surprised at how boldly Payne took on the pro-life/pro-abortion issue. Dern was good and there was some unique humor in her story. But on the whole I didn't enjoy the movie. I had bought it for $4 at the grocery store and passed it on to a friend whose daughter lives in Omaha. When she visited there recently the daughter (very socially connected) had been at a party where she met Laura Dern.......and was thrilled to have the movie. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:17 pm |
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| I didn't care much for Sideways, either. I loved Election when I saw it, but haven't wanted to see it again. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:31 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I didn't care much for Sideways, either. I loved Election when I saw it, but haven't wanted to see it again.
But then, that's just me. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:57 pm |
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| I'm glad you liked it. For me there was too much run-of-the mill sitcom humor involving the secondary characters, and I wasn't particularly interested in the leads. I laughed out loud when Miles described the nature of his book, invoking the French New Novel of Robbe-Grillet among other ridiculously obscure literary genres, if I remember correctly. The best joke in the movie, and the rare time the picture seemed to genuinely consider the intellectual audience it was supposedly made for. The rest of it was about as intelligent or discriminating as an episode of Frasier. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:27 pm |
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whiskeypriest wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: I didn't care much for Sideways, either. I loved Election when I saw it, but haven't wanted to see it again. is one of the five or so best movies of the decade. The scene where Miles and Maya discuss their views on wine - and themselves - is one of the best written and best acted scenes in recent memory. It's heartbreakingly good. I'd watch the movie over and over again for that alone.
But then, that's just me.
Not just you. That scene was just what you said it was. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:31 pm |
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| Oh yeah, an episode of Frasier is not intelligent. Discriminating? what the fuck are you talking about? Is there any intellectual advantage in being humourless? |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:30 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I'm glad you liked it. For me there was too much run-of-the mill sitcom humor involving the secondary characters, and I wasn't particularly interested in the leads. I laughed out loud when Miles described the nature of his book, invoking the French New Novel of Robbe-Grillet among other ridiculously obscure literary genres, if I remember correctly. The best joke in the movie, and the rare time the picture seemed to genuinely consider the intellectual audience it was supposedly made for. The rest of it was about as intelligent or discriminating as an episode of Frasier. |
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| Earl |
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| Maybe this means I'm disagreeing with everyone, but I love Sideways and I love Frasier. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:37 am |
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whiskeypriest wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: I'm glad you liked it. For me there was too much run-of-the mill sitcom humor involving the secondary characters, and I wasn't particularly interested in the leads. I laughed out loud when Miles described the nature of his book, invoking the French New Novel of Robbe-Grillet among other ridiculously obscure literary genres, if I remember correctly. The best joke in the movie, and the rare time the picture seemed to genuinely consider the intellectual audience it was supposedly made for. The rest of it was about as intelligent or discriminating as an episode of Frasier. ? really? Because other than they both have characters whose first names end in "iles" I'm at a loss.
Don't think I can explain it better than I did. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:04 am |
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About Sideways, what can I say after I say I agree with whiskeypriest to the letter. That scene between Giamatti and Madsen was one of the best ever committed to the screen. It was, however, just the cherry on top of one of the tastiest sundaes concocted in the last couple of decades. This movie, which received accolades and nominations, is still one of the more underrated American films in years. People just don't get how spectacularly great this film really is. It nails a sort of American male--two kinds, in fact--with such affectionate yet scathingly satirical acumen that the mind boggles. Giamatti and Church are brilliant in the roles. And as for the women--well, the fact that Madsen lost the Oscar, even to Cate Blanchett, strikes me as one of the supreme travesties of recent vintage. Not to mention the amazing Sandra Oh.
As for Giamatti not even being nominated, I can't even talk about it. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:08 am |
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| I never got what people loved about Frasier. I always found the characters off-putting. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:11 am |
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| The ending of Sideways--that voice-over'd drive and that simple knock on the door--added up to more emotional resonance than an entire five-minute scene could possibly have mustered. |
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