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gromit

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:27 pm

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

I also thought Match Point was phony and creaky, and my brain just stopped processing the film mid-way through.

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billyweeds

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:38 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

Marj wrote:

Gromit -- See La Notte. I think you'll find it worth your while.

I agree. It's by far my favorite Antonioni movie. Then again, I've never seen Il Grido, and I've always been a Steve Cochran fan. (Never knew he made this movie.) I also admire Alida Valli--who went by just plain "Valli" in The Third Man--and Betsy Blair from Marty. Great cast.

gromit

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:50 pm

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

I was thinking that Il Grido is kind of like if DeSica filmed The Postman Always Rings Twice.

What other Steve Cochran would you recommend?
He's kind of an unknown to me.

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billyweeds

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:12 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

gromit wrote:

What other Steve Cochran would you recommend?

Can't honestly recommend any Steve Cochran starring vehicles. He never had the lead in anything good. But he was always interesting. He was good in a small role as Virginia Mayo's boy-toy in The Best Years of Our Lives and he's apparently in White Heat, which a lot of people love (I've never seen it).

He also co-stars with Mayo in She's Back on Broadway and apparently several other movies I've never seen. You might want to check out Storm Warning (a ridiculous but fascinating movie about a whitewashed version of the KKK co-starring Ginger Rogers, Ronald Reagan, and Doris Day which is also a barely concealed version of A Streetcar Named Desire with Rogers as Blanche, Day as Stella, and Cochran as Stanley). Storm Warning is a really awful movie, but intensely interesting as a period piece in which the moviemakers pretend to expose the KKK without ever once mentioning blacks, Jews, or any other minorities. Cochran is very good as the Brando surrogate.

gromit

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:23 pm

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

I don't remember his role in Best Years. Solid film all the way through.

I've heard of Storm Warning.

You should check out Il Grido.
Cochran is the star, as the film follows him wandering from town to woman and woman to woman, often among bleak landscapes, and many times riding on the back of a truck.

You really should see White Heat.
You don't go wrong with Raoul Walsh directing a Cagney as a psychotic gangster.

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Joe Vitus

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:31 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston

Marj wrote:

PS. Joe -- I'd love to get into this Match Point discussion with you but I'd need to see it again. Mainly to see your concerns with it. I thought it was very good.

I'll see if I can find my copy of it over the weekend.

Well, I gave up on it fairly early on, so probably I should watch the whole thing before passing judgement. Nevertheless

gromit wrote:

Match Point was phony and creaky, and my brain just stopped processing the film

Pretty much sums it up for me.

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billyweeds

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:41 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

Joe Vitus wrote:

Marj wrote:

Well, I gave up on it fairly early on, so probably I should watch the whole thing before passing judgement. Nevertheless

gromit wrote:

Match Point was phony and creaky, and my brain just stopped processing the film

Pretty much sums it up for me.

I repeat: the plot is virtually the same as

SPOILER IN WHITE

A Place in the Sun (or An American Tragedy, the novel the movie was based on).

Marj

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:11 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 10497 Location: Manhattan

billyweeds wrote:

Marj wrote:

Gromit -- See La Notte. I think you'll find it worth your while.

La Notte is my favorite as well. And unless I'm thinking of another Steve Cochran, wasn't he in Johnny Belinda? If it's the same person, he did a fine job, especially considering the role he was playing. And I wouldn't call myself a fan either, but he's certainly intriguing.

Billy-- Now that you've reminded me of this cast, I'm got to see Il Grido.

marantzo

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:14 pm

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It's Steve Cochran in the lead.

I even looked it up to make sure I was thinking of the right guy and I fucked it up anyway. I get those heavy eye-browed guys all mixed up.

La Notte was very good, but i liked Red Desert and like Blow Up even more so take that into consideration. The other two you mentioned I didn't see. Zabriskie Point because it was supposed to be awful and the other one because I never heard of it.

marantzo

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:26 pm

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White Heat, which a lot of people love (I've never seen it).

Billy, you've never seen White Heat????? My god, It's fantastic. I had taped the movie many years ago. My son (your friend) Dylan was around ten at the time and was with me that summer. When I was at work he watched it one day. Said he really liked it and from then looked up Cagney's movies, he never heard of him. A couple of days later I came home from work and he and his friends were watching White Heat. I was so proud of him.

gromit

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:34 pm

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

Profession: Reporter is aka The Passenger.
Jack Nicholson stars as a war correspondent who swaps identities with another guy in order to give a film about anomie a rudimentary plot.

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marantzo

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:57 pm

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Oh. That one I heard about. Didn't know it was Antonioni though.

billyweeds

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:34 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

marantzo wrote:

Oh. That one I heard about. Didn't know it was Antonioni though.

It's Antonioni and IMO it's awful. Not as bad as Zabriskie Point (one of the worst movies ever made by anyone), but awful anyway.

What I like about La Notte as opposed to almost all other Antonioni movies is that it has two stellar acting jobs by Jeanne Moreau and Marcello Mastroianni. Antonioni hardly ever gives actors anything really interesting to do. La Notte is like an Italian Virginia Woolf, with better clothes and more attractive settings.

billyweeds

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:36 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

Gotta see White Heat. Of course I've seen clips of the final scene, and it looks amazing.

billyweeds

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:40 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

Marj wrote:

billyweeds wrote:

Marj wrote:

Gromit -- See La Notte. I think you'll find it worth your while.

The actor in Johnny Belinda was probably Stephen McNally. Cochran was not in that movie, but McNally was similar--macho, somewhat bull-like, and swarthy.

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