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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:52 pm Reply with quote
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I love inlareviewer. And lissa. And Anne Hathaway and Rosemarie DeWitt. And almost everybody else, too.

But mainly I love In Bruges and The Visitor and Iron Man because none of them have a chance. At Oscar, that is. 'Round these parts they might do some damage.

And no one mentions Burn After Reading's Malkovich or W.'s Cromwell either. Huh?
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inlareviewer
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:59 pm Reply with quote
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I love inlareviewer. And lissa. And Anne Hathaway and Rosemarie DeWitt. And almost everybody else, too.
Backatachas. As a recent addition to the gallery of role models, Louise from St. Louis, would say, I still believe in love. It's the thing, you know.

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But mainly I love In Bruges and The Visitor and Iron Man because none of them have a chance. At Oscar, that is. 'Round these parts they might do some damage.
After the Gilded Globule nods. and once the strike-distracted SAGGYs have weighed in, not to mention those two untenable Bens that now distort At The Movies I wouldn't count any of those out categorically, though the chances are indeed slim -- but original screenplay for Bruges, Jenkins and maybe screenplay for Visitor, any number of technical slots for Iron Man, are not inconceivable.

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And no one mentions Burn After Reading's Malkovich or W.'s Cromwell either. Huh?
Didn't see either film, though there's a great deal of residual Coen Bros. love in HaleyWide, not so much Stone Adoration. If anyone gets a surprise nod for Dubya, it will be Li'l Brolin in a two-fer.


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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:03 pm Reply with quote
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I've only seen the two Bens once on At the Movies, and though they certainly ain't no Siskel and Ebert, I didn't loathe them nearly as much as most people seem to be doing. Ben Mankiewicz in particular I think is pretty smart; he's a host on TCM and has some fairly sharp comments on movies on that network, and of course he's a nephew of Joseph L. or Herman or somebody in that family. Which doesn't mean anything, but I decided to do a weird kind of name-dropping.
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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:07 pm Reply with quote
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inla--I think Downey and Paltrow were amazing in Fe Guy (see, I'm learning), but acting nominations for a superhero movie (unless you're Heath Ledger) are out of the question.

As for Brolin, he deserves the supphose nom for Evap without a doubt. As for UU, not so much IMO.

And now I promise to stop doing inla. Unless he smiles real nice. Smile
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:10 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
I've only seen the two Bens once on At the Movies, and though they certainly ain't no Siskel and Ebert, I didn't loathe them nearly as much as most people seem to be doing. Ben Mankiewicz in particular I think is pretty smart; he's a host on TCM and has some fairly sharp comments on movies on that network, and of course he's a nephew of Joseph L. or Herman or somebody in that family. Which doesn't mean anything, but I decided to do a weird kind of name-dropping.


They weren't too bad. It was the panel of three that gave their views that were really annoying.

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:12 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
I've only seen the two Bens once on At the Movies, and though they certainly ain't no Siskel and Ebert, I didn't loathe them nearly as much as most people seem to be doing. Ben Mankiewicz in particular I think is pretty smart; he's a host on TCM and has some fairly sharp comments on movies on that network, and of course he's a nephew of Joseph L. or Herman or somebody in that family. Which doesn't mean anything, but I decided to do a weird kind of name-dropping.
He's Joseph's great-nephew, Herman's great-grandson, I do believe. Ben Lyons is Jeffrey Lyons' son. The reorganizing employer did a whole cover piece on why Industry types are aghast at Li'l Lyons, but many charges of nepotism have been leveled at either critic all over the place. They included Iron Man and In Bruges in their Best-Of show last night.

Producer's Guild of America nominates Benjamin Button, Dark Knight, Frost/Nixon, Milk and Slumdog Millionaire, which is likely a pretty sure bet for the bulk of the Aclademy best pic slate. Now, which one will be left out?

http://theenvelope.latimes.com/env-pga-noms-2009jan05,0,5465527.story

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:20 pm Reply with quote
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According to Wikipedia, Ben is actually Herman's grandson, believe it or not. They say Ben's father is Frank Mankiewicz, who was born in the 1920s and is the cousin of Tom Mankiewicz, who went to Yale at the same time I did.

Ben M. is apparently about 15 years older than Ben L., who doesn't deserve the spot on the show nearly as much as older Ben. But if they put In Bruges and Iron Man on their ten-best list, they can't be all bad.
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inlareviewer
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:25 pm Reply with quote
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Ah yes, grandson, don't know where the great- came from.

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They weren't too bad. It was the panel of three that gave their views that were really annoying.
I heard that, and they sure dropped that gimmick quick enough. The bone of contention most journeymen have with either is that they haven't really done much movie criticism/journalism, in Li'l Lyons' case next to none, in Manquéwich's, more host-ey/events-type stuff. Jeffrey's Scion is the one that garners the most ire:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/11/minus-ebert-at.html

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-lyons28-2008dec28,0,3485043.story

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-ca-letters4-2009jan04,0,4043789.story

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inla--I think Downey and Paltrow were amazing in Fe Guy (see, I'm learning), but acting nominations for a superhero movie (unless you're Heath Ledger) are out of the question.
It certainly looked pretty fresh, but it came out exactly when I was down to one film a month, if I was lucky. Now that we replaced the ancient teeny-teevee with a less-ancient larger-teevee, it's on the rent-list. Late Ledger is going to get the nod and more than likely the award, but that's surely where the acting nods will stop for Noir Sir (not the other categories, though, it's instantly in contention after the PGA nod), and Downey's a presumed supphose shoo-in for the Stiller war/Hollywood satire.

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As for Brolin, he deserves the supphose nom for Evap without a doubt. As for UU, not so much IMO.
We avoided the Stone film, it would have resulted in shingles if seen at the point in time it was released.

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As my most recent addition to the gallery of role models, Louise from St. Louis, would say, I still believe in love. It's the thing, you know.


That reminded me of something I heard on the radio at around 3AM between sleeps. I think it was the Romanian or Polish broadcast. The radio announcer must have been talking about some sporting event because she kept calling the Joe Louis Arena, the Joe Louie Arena as in French.

I'd like to see Jenkins pick Felix's roommate.

I am not all that familiar with the kind of drum playing in The Visitor but was not impressed with it. I was glad when Yam posted about the film and mentioned that the drum playing was no hell. He knows his yambu.
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Ben Lyons is Jeffrey Lyons' son.


It would be hard for him to be worse than his old man.
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If they've dropped the panel of three, I may give it another try. I like Ben Mankiewicz, who I know from TCM, and don't mind Lyons particularly.

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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:40 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
According to Wikipedia, Ben is actually Herman's grandson, believe it or not. They say Ben's father is Frank Mankiewicz, who was born in the 1920s and is the cousin of Tom Mankiewicz, who went to Yale at the same time I did.

Ben M. is apparently about 15 years older than Ben L., who doesn't deserve the spot on the show nearly as much as older Ben. But if they put In Bruges and Iron Man on their ten-best list, they can't be all bad.
Lyons picked Bruges, Mankiewicz Iron Man, both included Frost/Nixon and Milk, their respective top films were Benjamin Button and The Wrestler.

http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/atm/bestof2008.html

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I see they both included The Wrestler as well. And Gary should be pleased that B. Mank included The Bank Job.

But whatever. Though I suspect Mankiewicz is a closet critic, Lyons is a lightweight no matter what he picks. I mean, even Manohla Dargis, who gives smarts a bad name, once in a while raves about a movie I like.
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lissa
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:48 pm Reply with quote
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I've loved Richard Jenkins since SFU, and wanted more of him in the series. Then he had a small role in Shall We Dance and I just thought he needed to rise to the ranks. As a leading man, in such a profoundly moving - but subtly portrayed - role (The Visitor, he rocks it, and I'm hoping this isn't the end of his leading man turns.

As for the drum playing? I enjoyed it. I'm no expert (but fast becoming one with my son taking up drums this past year), but really, the music was more than just skill; it was concept and it came through. It was symbolism, not talent that matters in this film. And while I respectfully defer to you, yambu, for your expertise, if we start pulling apart symbols to critique the talent, we're looking too far into the microscope.

The film is one of the most decent films I've seen. Not only is Jenkins subtle, but the whole film - writing, acting, plot - sensationalizes nothing. It brings awareness to an invisibly existent problem that also brings sympathy to the plight of those it affects, and for that reason alone, I'd recommend it. But the storyline, and the lack of Hollywoodisms (no happy endings, per se) won me over from the get-go.

Okay, I shall have to see In Bruges if I'm to be in this crowd. Ya talked me into it.

And billy, I luv you too! [heart]billy(no closing heart tags)

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inlareviewer
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:00 pm Reply with quote
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lissa wrote:
I've loved Richard Jenkins since SFU, and wanted more of him in the series. Then he had a small role in Shall We Dance and I just thought he needed to rise to the ranks. As a leading man, in such a profoundly moving - but subtly portrayed - role (The Visitor, he rocks it, and I'm hoping this isn't the end of his leading man turns.

As for the drum playing? I enjoyed it. I'm no expert (but fast becoming one with my son taking up drums this past year), but really, the music was more than just skill; it was concept and it came through. It was symbolism, not talent that matters in this film. And while I respectfully defer to you, yambu, for your expertise, if we start pulling apart symbols to critique the talent, we're looking too far into the microscope.

The film is one of the most decent films I've seen. Not only is Jenkins subtle, but the whole film - writing, acting, plot - sensationalizes nothing. It brings awareness to an invisibly existent problem that also brings sympathy to the plight of those it affects, and for that reason alone, I'd recommend it. But the storyline, and the lack of Hollywoodisms (no happy endings, per se) won me over from the get-go.
Ditto. 'Sbeen on the top of my list since first seen.

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Okay, I shall have to see In Bruges if I'm to be in this crowd. Ya talked me into it.


Be forewarned -- there's a quorum of deliberatly outlandish profanity and a couple of deeply disturbing moments of graphic violence. Just sayin'.


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