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| marantzo |
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| To me, Hef is a simple man, as in uncomplicated and quite humourless from what I know of him, but his heart seems to be in the right place. He was a big supporter of my friend Steinberg and other 60's 70's comics so he must have appreciated humour. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:51 am |
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| I'd agree with your evaluation, even unto the humorlessness. Which is odd, since he wanted to be a cartoonist and by the 1980's the only element of the magazine he still regularly insisted on approving was the cartoons. |
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| bocce |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:30 pm |
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marantzo wrote: It seems like Schrader and Scorcese didn't see it as obvious either.  Seeing that they didn't mean it as a fantasy, makes the ending just silly for me. And I'd like to know how he could have survived those gunshots.
As a fantasy, the ending is very good because it illustrates very simply the deluded ambitions of the psycho hero of the movie to be acclaimed as a hero.
i'm disappointed by this also and really tend to doubt it since scorsese had dealt with the hallucinatory/fantasy realm before (charlie's religious fantasy in MEAN STREETS) and would later, as a focal point and, in much the same way, at the end to KING OF COMEDY and in LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST. i don't remember much of KUNDUN but i'll bet there's some thrown in there as well...
nah, i just don't believe it...some disinformation there...
i'm not sure that the majority of RAGING BULL is not la motta's own reflexion on the past just prior to the show...
i'd be interested in rod's take on the issue since he's done a pretty exhaustive study of scorsese and has seen the body of work more recently than me... |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:16 pm |
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bocce wrote: marantzo wrote: It seems like Schrader and Scorcese didn't see it as obvious either. Seeing that they didn't mean it as a fantasy, makes the ending just silly for me. And I'd like to know how he could have survived those gunshots.
As a fantasy, the ending is very good because it illustrates very simply the deluded ambitions of the psycho hero of the movie to be acclaimed as a hero.
i'm disappointed by this also and really tend to doubt it since scorsese had dealt with the hallucinatory/fantasy realm before (charlie's religious fantasy in MEAN STREETS) and would later, as a focal point and, in much the same way, at the end to KING OF COMEDY and in LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST. i don't remember much of KUNDUN but i'll bet there's some thrown in there as well...
nah, i just don't believe it...some disinformation there...
i'm not sure that the majority of RAGING BULL is not la motta's own reflexion on the past just prior to the show...
i'd be interested in rod's take on the issue since he's done a pretty exhaustive study of scorsese and has seen the body of work more recently than me...
bocce, here`s the link to Rod`s review of Taxi Driver. It is a comprehensive, probing, very well written and entertaining review (as all his reviews seem to be). He does seem to take the finale as actual rather than imaginary. Interesting comment about Schrader`s thoughts about how he would have liked the finale to be portrayed.
http://ferdyonfilms.com/2007/03/taxi-driver-1976-1.php |
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| Nancy |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:26 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: All of which I tried to watch and none of which I could make it through. With Cat People, I tried repeatedly. Crapola.
I made it through that version of Cat People, but I didn't like it. The original didn't need to be remade, and the later version had both gratuitous nudity and gratuitous violence. And it wasn't very good. |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:42 pm |
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| Ditto about the "Cat People" remake. Disappointing. |
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| Nancy |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:46 pm |
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mo_flixx wrote: Ditto about the "Cat People" remake. Disappointing.
Yes, even Malcolm McDowell couldn't save it. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:02 pm |
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Thought I'd copy this, which I posted last summer.
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:
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Saw the hard-to-catch 1977 Paul Schrader-scripted Rolling Thunder starring William Devane and a verrrry young-looking Tommy Lee Jones. A Vietnam-era revenge/horror/thriller/whatsis, it has a cult reputation as a thinking man's Death Wish, but although it certainly held my interest and was fairly well directed by John Flynn, it's still pretty cheesy.
Not available on DVD, it's viewable on line at Netflix. Probably worth a completist's time (completist for Schrader, Devane, or Jones), but hardly the unsung classic its admirers claim. |
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| tirebiter |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:39 pm |
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| Rolling Thunder was miles ahead of the dozens of Death Wish knockoffs of the late 70s-- I still remember seeing it in a theatre and thinking, "Now that's the way a revenge flick should play." Devane is magnetic. Yes, it's cheesy, but it's really good cheesy. |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:27 pm |
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Nancy wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: All of which I tried to watch and none of which I could make it through. With Cat People, I tried repeatedly. Crapola.
I made it through that version of Cat People, but I didn't like it. The original didn't need to be remade, and the later version had both gratuitous nudity and gratuitous violence. And it wasn't very good.
It's odd, considering Natassja Kinski is a pretty good actress, how many directors had problems directing her. It's as if she was so beautiful they were more interested in photographing her than letting her play a realistic role in a movie. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:54 pm |
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| I liked her best in—don't laugh—One From the Heart. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:30 pm |
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Martin Scorsese's My Voyage to Italy (1999) is 4 hours and 6 minutes long, but it is an unadulterated delight. It shows fair sized chunks of classics which I have seen or which I have wanted to see but never got around to seeing, including major works of Rosselini, de Sica, Visconti, Fellini and Antonioni, with insightful if adoring commentary by an aficionado.
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| Nancy |
| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:41 pm |
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Ghulam wrote: Martin Scorsese's My Voyage to Italy (1999) is 4 hours and 6 minutes long, but it is an unadulterated delight. It shows fair sized chunks of classics which I have seen or which I have wanted to see but never got around to seeing, including major works of Rosselini, de Sica, Visconti, Fellini and Antonioni, with insightful if adoring commentary by an aficionado.
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That sounds like it would be worth seeing. I'll have to look for it. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:47 pm |
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It is really good.
Mo and I were just touting it the other day when the Scorsese discussion broke out.
Marty made another similar look at movies, Personal Journey Through American Films. While good, it wasn't as interesting and insightful as his examination of Italian films. |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:20 am |
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Has anyone heard of director Jean-Claude Brisseau? He is supposed to direct artistic French movies about sex in which the subject is ambiguously, yet frankly handled. One of his films stars the very young Vanessa Paradis as a 17-yr. old student who falls in love with her 49-yr. old teacher.
His name came up in the discussion of Chabrol's "A Girl Cut in Two."
His work sounds like looking into.
Here's the filmography from the imdb.com :
Jean-Claude Brisseau
Awards: 2 wins & 1 nomination more
Filmography Director:
1. À l'aventure (2009) (completed)
2. Anges exterminateurs, Les (2006)... aka The Exterminating Angels (USA: new title)
3. Choses secrètes (2002)... aka Secret Things (International: English title)
4. Savates du bon Dieu, Les (2000) ... aka Workers for the Good Lord (USA)
5. Ange noir, L' (1994)... aka The Black Angel
6. Céline (1992)
7. Noce blanche (1989)... aka White Wedding
8. De bruit et de fureur (1988)... aka Sound and Fury
9. Un jeu brutal (1983)
10. Contes modernes: Au sujet de l'enfance, Les (1982) (TV) (segment "Echangeur, L'")
11. Ombres, Les (1982) (TV)
12. Vie comme ça, La (1978) (TV)... aka Life the Way It Is (USA)
13. Croisée des chemins, La (1975) |
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