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| Syd |
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mo_flixx wrote: The Korean film "The Host" is a wonderful sendup of the Japanese horror flick.
And a good horror film in its own right. Including one of the best monsters ever. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:20 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: No desire to contradict you again, Gromit, but there's far more Buster Keaton than Chaplin in Sleeper, particularly the opening segment when Allen is revived, and the Keaton/Allen relationship.
I realize that you are going from memory, but can you be more specific or remember any details.
I've just watched it one and a half times and noticed some distinct Chaplin elements, especially in the early going. I saw a lot of Diane Keaton in there, but not sure I see the Buster Keaton. Could just be me not seeing BK recently. |
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| Nancy |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:13 am |
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mo_flixx wrote: The Korean film "The Host" is a wonderful sendup of the Japanese horror flick.
Apparently they are going to make The Host 2. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:58 am |
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gromit wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: No desire to contradict you again, Gromit, but there's far more Buster Keaton than Chaplin in Sleeper, particularly the opening segment when Allen is revived, and the Keaton/Allen relationship.
I realize that you are going from memory, but can you be more specific or remember any details.
I've just watched it one and a half times and noticed some distinct Chaplin elements, especially in the early going. I saw a lot of Diane Keaton in there, but not sure I see the Buster Keaton. Could just be me not seeing BK recently.
Well, all the physical comedy in that openining sequence is much more Keaton, particularly the stolid facial expressions. It seems to me that Chaplin's physical comedy involved changes to his features far less, and were generally more fantastical: getting caught in the gears of a gian machine, for instance. A big giveaway to the move away from Chaplin is the complete lack of pathos in Allen's charcter this time around. This is no "little guy." Plus, whereas Chaplin's heroines tended to be Victorian perfect, Keaton's tended to be frustratating. The famous shot of Keaton about to hit the girl and then kissing her instead is right in line with Allen and Diane Keaton's relationship in this movie. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:57 am |
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Okay, I see where you're going.
You're talking more about the overall character and story arc. I was really just referencing a few specific scenes and gestures, where a Chaplin influence/tribute seemed clear.
Can't say I really see the Keaton influence you mention. But I'll think about it.
During the opening reviving scene Woody has this dopey, addled look on his face, rather than a Keaton blank expression.
I think Woody merely pays homages to slapstick and silent film comedies at moments in the film, but largely crafts the film and character in his own way.
Also, I don't think of Chaplin going through the gears as representative of his physical comedy at all. More typical would be some small graceful gesture with his cane, ducking a cop, or some use/misuse of a prop. Maybe a good example would be in The Gold Rush where Chaplin dances with the girl, and his pants start dropping. First, he uses his cane to hold up his pants at the back, while still dancing. Then he finds a rope on a table which he hastily ties on as a belt, but it actually is a dog leash, so that the dog (previously hidden under the table) and the rope are led all around the dance floor and through the other dancers.
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Some good Woody physical comedy in Sleeper.
After reviving Woody, they try to hasten his ability to walk and he "gets it in reverse."
When they try to put him in the futuristic car and he climbs up the side of the car.
I love when he's trying to escape and in the first vehicle he commandeers he pushes the wrong button and the top ejects, alerting the security baddies. Then he grabs a jet pack and operates it correctly, but it flies away out of his hands. Then when he escapes with another jet-pack, he gets caught in the tree branches with the propeller stuck in pace and him spinning. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:25 am |
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Nancy wrote: mo_flixx wrote: The Korean film "The Host" is a wonderful sendup of the Japanese horror flick.
Apparently they are going to make The Host 2.
At least they're not trying King and the Clown 2... |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:17 pm |
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lady wakasa wrote: Nancy wrote: mo_flixx wrote: The Korean film "The Host" is a wonderful sendup of the Japanese horror flick.
Apparently they are going to make The Host 2.
At least they're not trying King and the Clown 2...
Yet. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:28 pm |
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| Can we ever get a concert sequel? U2 2? |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:24 pm |
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| The documentary movie Young @ Heart dealing with a chorus of elderly singers (average age: 80) of rock songs in Northampton Massachussetts is a winner. It is a group of delightful people, full of life, with their loves and sorrows, health problems and deaths, but mostly full of passion for singing. Oh how they love to sing! Don't miss it. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:33 pm |
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Ghulam: I'll be seeing that tomorrow. I just finished watching The Visitor, and what an amazing experience it was. I don't know the last time I was so moved. My emotions are spent for today.
Please, if you haven't yet seen this film; haven't experienced this yet, it is out on DVD. Please don't miss it. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:07 pm |
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| Marj, some of us here have liked it as much as you. Glad you finally got to it. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:32 pm |
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Marj wrote: Ghulam: I'll be seeing that tomorrow. I just finished watching The Visitor, and what an amazing experience it was. I don't know the last time I was so moved. My emotions are spent for today.
Please, if you haven't yet seen this film; haven't experienced this yet, it is out on DVD. Please don't miss it.
I loved The Visitor. Hope the Academy does not forget Richard Jenkins. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:43 pm |
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Jenkins's performance in The Visitor is getting a lot of Oscar buzz. Here's hoping it comes true. It's my second favorite movie of the year, just after In Bruges, which is getting no Oscar buzz.
Milk, however, is. What an injustice. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:12 pm |
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Jenkins deserves it in spades. So does the film. As does In Bruges, which I fear a lot of people -- especially those who create the buzz may have missed.
So far I think there are three films that deserve recognition. In Bruges, The Visitor and Iron Man. I hope there will be more. But I feel fortunate to have seen three really excellent films so far. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:15 pm |
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Marj wrote: Jenkins deserves it in spades. So does the film. As does In Bruges, which I fear a lot of people -- especially those who create the buzz may have missed.
So far I think there are three films that deserve recognition. In Bruges, The Visitor and Iron Man. I hope there will be more. But I feel fortunate to have seen three really excellent films so far.
They are in fact my three favorite films of the year, with scarcely any competition. Lately, however, I loved Pineapple Express. |
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