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| jeremy |
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| Idiots. don't you know the Nolan brothers scour South Asian film in search of ideas an motifs they make their own. |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:50 am |
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jeremy wrote: Idiots. don't you know the Nolan brothers scour South Asian film in search of ideas an motifs they make their own.
asses! of course tthey don't they just go to trafalgar square and consume marble which they shit on the masses through their fms.
jeremy chris nolan is making a bollywood film... |
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| Syd |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:56 am |
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seagull wrote: true but twofaces went out ofcirc in the early fifties.
in pop culture the meme gets attributed to the most recent seminal experience not the oldest known.
scarface is a contendr but I don't remember it much. was it a double head?
Don't remember either, although it was his lucky coin.
I don't see why Nolan would reference an Indian film when the character always used the two-headed coin in the comics. |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:57 am |
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I'm not sure how many screenwriters you have met in life but they're far less indulging in cultural isolation than jeremy would want to pretend to his daughter.
the typical hollywood star - george clooney brad pitt natalie portman would asl give an arm and a leg to work in the right bollywood project.. |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:59 am |
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Syd wrote: seagull wrote: true but twofaces went out ofcirc in the early fifties.
in pop culture the meme gets attributed to the most recent seminal experience not the oldest known.
scarface is a contendr but I don't remember it much. was it a double head?
Don't remember either, although it was his lucky coin.
I don't see why Nolan would reference an Indian film when the character always used the two-headed coin in the comics.
audiences.
I'm saying picking two faces rather than other batman villains was a nod. its less unlikely than it sounds to you in oklahoma.. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:02 pm |
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Syd wrote: A much more likely influence is the George Raft character in the 1932 Scarface, who also tosses a coin, but doesn't use it in the same way as Two-Face. The Raft character was well enough known that the coin flipping (by another character) was used in Some Like It Hot. |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:08 pm |
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well since I've never read a 1950s batman comic and think marilyn monroe is my granpas pin up gal, I attribute the influence to the newfound influence of bollywood in the US.
its possible that someone saw showlays double head coin and re.embered two faces and thought that's a lovely(two faced) nod to audiences. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:15 pm |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:18 pm |
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| In fairness, though I was aware of the coin toss at the conclusion of Sholay, I've never come across Sivaji, so I can't really comment on whether there is any reason to suggest that the corresponding scene in Batman might be a reference or a lift from that film. The only thing I would say is that the double headed coin is such a well-established motif in popular cultural that is has become somethng of a cliche. My feeling is that the Nolan's would only hav included as an ironic reference, an admission that the film inhabits a comc book world. |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:23 pm |
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well since you have seen neither film and can't seem to find the double head motif ref in other hollywood films, except in other people's examples , why should you even be in this conversation except as some equivalent of a communist ideolog who knows he's right even if the facts show othervice?
whose face is on the double head sholay coin?
the double head coin is a well established motif in pop cultre ? wtf?since when? its not even a well established motif in the batman series. just a bollywood influenced nod from the latest nolan film. |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:29 pm |
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whiskeypriest wrote: Why do I think seagull's going to be like Chekov in Star Trek, claiming the Russians invented everything first?
because you've been watching too much goodness gracious me? |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:33 pm |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:35 pm |
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And their true moment of genius. |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:40 pm |
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I like the I can make it at home series too.
'iwhy should you go to paris ill be rude to you in a foreign language and spit in your soup right here!' |
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| seagull |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:53 pm |
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but jeremys nazi propaganda viids apart,
its true that a list directors watch mote foreign films than you think and certainly more than they do classic hollywood...which is old hat |
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