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marantzo

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:29 pm

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I don't give a shit if someone is an addict or not. Unless that person is someone whom my life is involved with why should I care. I can think something along the lines of, "Gee that's too bad." That's it. To me all of you who are rending their garments in shock and grief over Heath Ledger's death are ridiculous.

The only celebrity that I feel bad about dying this last week or so is Suzanne Pleshette, because she had entertained me with her acting and wit and personality and looks for many years. And she was stricken, she didn't choose to die, like the two youngsters.

inlareviewer

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:55 pm

Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 1949 Location: Lawrence, KS

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inlareviewer

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:04 pm

Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 1949 Location: Lawrence, KS

And I think that finding us "ridiculous", on a fan forum devoted to film, for so reacting to the sudden death of a 28-year-old actor of Brando and Dean potential who among every thing else left behind a 2-year-old daughter and in any event has so undone the Industry I Work In that It's All Anybody Is Talking About On The NonStop Phone Calls Today -- yes, it's outstripped the Aclademy nomination calls, by 5 to one -- is uncalled for. Suzanne Pleshette, god rest her soul, is reunited with Tom Poston now and had a full, rich, and celebrated life and career. Sad, of course it's sad, and would have been sadder still had she lingered in her illness. That doesn't make Ledger's death any less tragic, not least because it was completely unexpected. He was just getting started. I try not to bring up the reasons for past and current raw personal impact of such things here, choosing allusions when unavoidably applicable, as in The Savages or Away From Her or, yes, Brokeback, but would hope that even at my most unraveled I could avoid labeling those for whom celebrity deaths carry their own painful associations, or those for whom it couldn't matter less, as "ridiculous." My mantra is that it's all subjective because it is. Also, provisional.

And there goes the phone.

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shannon

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:22 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 1628 Location: NC

marantzo wrote:

Ditto.

Jynx

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:23 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 750 Location: Nowheresville

If it's sympathy, apathy, empathy or any kind of pthy ... keep moving. I'm with you larey on this one.

marantzoball - isn't this what the forum is about. Actors, actresses and their bodies of work? You don't find it at all sad that a huge talent has been lost? Apparently it seems it wasn't by his own hand, he had pneumonia and, I'm guessing, took too much medication. Only speculative at this point, but damn dude, he was somewhat involved in your life ... as we post here. I'm sure we all had something to say about him from Brokeback and Monster's.

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Syd

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:33 pm

Site Admin Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 12921 Location: Norman, Oklahoma

Oddly, I remember him more for Casanova and The Brothers Grimm. I didn't like the second movie but I liked Ledger in it. Not so much Brokeback Mountain because I really disliked the character he was playing and he couldn't overcome that. (I did like Gyllenhaal's character.)

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Syd

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:34 pm

Site Admin Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 12921 Location: Norman, Oklahoma

Jynx wrote:

I still miss River Phoenix.

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lady wakasa

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:49 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 5911 Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon

Jynx wrote:

I'm sure we all had something to say about him from Brokeback and Monster's.

Gary refuses to see Brokeback Mountain.

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Jynx

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:10 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 750 Location: Nowheresville

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I still miss River Phoenix.

I'm resigned to his death, although I constantly wonder what he could have achieved. I still can watch a movie and think "River Phoenix would have been really good in that role." Considering how good Joequin is, and his sisters roles, I think they could have been a dynasty. Very un-Baldwinish if you will.

marantz - why do you refuse to see BM? Because of the content? The message?

I liked his character, so sad and broken at the end. Finally resigned to the fact he is what he is and allowing grief. TBG was an excellent film, Casanova was puke, but I don't blame that on him. 10 Things I Hate About You is one of my guilty indulgences.

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ehle64

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:22 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 7149 Location: NYC; US&A

I'm disgusted. Mostly by shannon. Obviously by marantzo and billyweeds.

Thank you inla for your eloquent (*as usual*) response.

I, as a Third-Eye Forum Member/Moderator, am deeply upset and actually repulsed by some's reactions.

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chillywilly

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:55 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 8251 Location: Salt Lake City

marantzo wrote:

Bold and honest, I'll give you that.

I think most of us that are talking about Heath's death are simply sad and shocked at someone young who had some movie success and now is gone, without the chance to have a life-long resume to look back on.

I didn't know Heath, never met him and never even was within a distance to shake his hand to tell him how I disliked A Knight's Tale for the over-the-top fluff piece it was, but I do feel a sense of loss for an actor that was making a name for himself in the industry.

Plus sadness (as a father of a daughter) for his daughter not being able to grow up with her father there for her.

Call me ridiculous, but that's me being bold and honest.

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ehle64

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:04 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 7149 Location: NYC; US&A

Thank you, Chills.

As if one man's addiction is better(more IMPORTANT) than anothers really pisses me off.

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shannon

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:58 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 1628 Location: NC

ehle64 wrote:

As if one man's addiction is better(more IMPORTANT) than anothers really pisses me off.

So you're "disgusted" with me for treating his death like I do any other death of someone neither I nor anyone I care about has any close relation to? I don't know why his death is supposed to make me any more sad than the suicides/drug overdoses of the 10-15 other guys I'll read about in tomorrow's local newspaper who weren't named Heath Ledger.

billyweeds

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:41 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

ehle64 wrote:

Why "mostly" by shannon? All he said was "ditto."

ehle64

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:41 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 7149 Location: NYC; US&A

If I had known, could have recognized, their work, those 15 (or whatever bullshit number) I would have had the same response.

This IS a film society, and for one of us, Me presumably, takes a pause and reacts accordingly.

I had to turn off Brokeback Mountain. For that film alone I will mourn Mr. Ledger.

So So Sorry to disrupt this amazing discourse we've had of late.

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