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| marantzo |
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| inlareviewer |
| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:40 pm |
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Like, tubular, I am so sure, like, kewl. Tewtally.
DGA and the studios close the deal on a new 3-year contract. Its impact upon the strike depends on how much the writers are willing to risk in terms of industry support for their cause if they reject parallel agreements out of hand, and on how many WGA members have gotten over that the initial home-video agreement of two decades vintage, now industry-union standard, from where the more recent discord grew, originated with the helmers. Fingers crossed, eyes crossed, heart crossed.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-strike18jan18,0,3114687.story?coll=la-home-center |
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| chillywilly |
| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:17 pm |
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| Thanks for posting that, Inla. It's a start in all of this. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:14 am |
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| InLA -- I read it too fast and began to hoot! Then I read it again. But you're right. It's a beginning. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:37 am |
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| "Teeth": This schlocky horror movie about a teenager with teeth in her vagina lacks ... bite. - Zacharek |
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| Marj |
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Great Ghulam! Thanks ever so ...
Blame it on InLA, not Rita. or is it Rio?
G'night Marj, again, |
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| tirebiter |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:16 am |
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| I remember reading about Freud's explanation of "vagina dentata" in Gershon Legman's "Rationale of the Dirty Joke" when I was 13. And now, it's deeply, deeply fulfilling to see Teeth making its debut. I'm sure it will offer a sensitive portrayal of this serious issue. |
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| tirebiter |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:20 am |
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| I just read a review of Teeth over at aintitcool, and it actually sounds worthy of finding out about-- don't know if it's good, but the director (Roy Liechtenstein's son!!) obviously has more than just exploitation in mind.... |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:48 am |
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tirebiter wrote: I just read a review of Teeth over at aintitcool, and it actually sounds worthy of finding out about-- don't know if it's good, but the director (Roy Liechtenstein's son!!) obviously has more than just exploitation in mind....
You can sink your teeth into this film. Really gripping.
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:18 am |
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| Todd Haynes' I'm Not There is a very imaginative biopic of Bob Dylan, sometimes inscrutable to a dabbler like myself, but just Cate Blanchette and the sound track make it very worthwhile. Bravura performance by Cate. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:42 pm |
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Another brilliant rebuttal by Roger Ebert to the uproar about the supposedly too-hip dialogue in Juno. Maybe someday one of the complaining forumites will comment on Ebert's decimation of their argument.
Q. I have been following the debate about the clever dialogue in Juno and there are two things I don't understand: (1) Why do people continue to expect every film they see to be a flawless reflection of reality when no film, not even a documentary, could ever accomplish such a feat? Isn't one of the pleasures of going to the movies is seeing things we don't usually see in the real world? (2) Why aren't more people refreshed that a film has gone against the grain by creating characters more intelligent than real people, as opposed to the Hollywood norm of creating characters who are considerably dumber and more shallow than real people?
Adam Breckenridge, Edmond, Okla.
A. In other words, to quote Professor Higgins, why can't people be more like us? There's a sort of Mediocrity Enforcement Squad that slaps down anything with the effrontery to be different. Just last week, Jim DeRogatis, the usually infallible pop music critic of the Sun-Times, strayed from his beat to attack Juno, which he "hated, hated, hated" (a melodious phrase) because, among other reasons, it had the wrong music! He wrote:
"Here is a 29-year-old screenwriter (Cody) and a 30-year-old director (Reitman) brainstorming with a nearly 21-year-old actress (Page) and deciding that the intentionally primitive and infantile sounds recorded by a 35-year-old musician (Kimya Dawson) epitomize 'the music that the kids today really listen to.' This sort of contrivance hardly smacks of the honesty and humor the filmmakers brag about, and which many critics have hailed."
Ebert again. DeRogatis is right. The movie should have been written, directed and scored by 16-year-olds. Someone easily could have found the funding for them. But to call Kimya Dawson "primitive and infantile," when he complains that the movie uses the wrong track from Sonic Youth (that most mature of bands) seems like indigestion. True, Kimya Dawson is 35. Sonic Youth's average age is 50.
Jim's real problem is that Juno doesn't like the same music he likes. I know how he feels. If only these damn kids would listen to the critics, they'd like what we like. His other problem is that real teens don't talk like Juno. Real 16-year-old rock critics don't talk like the Patrick Fugit character in Almost Famous, either. In short: Movie characters don't talk like real people. If they did, they'd drive us nuts. |
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| mo_flixx |
| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:11 am |
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billy -
The Ebert quote makes it sound as if "we" HATED "Juno." I didn't "hate, hate, hate" it. I enjoyed it...but don't feel that it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. |
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| inlareviewer |
| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:09 am |
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Aclademy insists show goes on, amid a pervasive sense of unsettlement in Tinseltown press corps and the WGA's acute awareness of the global audience that the Racso castbroad commands. Talks twixt stalemated strike factions tentatively resuming next week.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-oscarplan19jan19,0,2711477.story?coll=la-home-center |
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| lshap |
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Billy - Ebert's rebuttal attacks the left flank of the argument without dealing with the frontal complaint against Juno. To set the record straight, I have no problem with exaggerated dialogue or characters that stray from the strict bounds of reality. I doubt very many people do. In fact, dismissing the critiques of the film as "Mediocrity Enforcement Squad that slaps down anything with the effrontery to be different" is a twist of reality in its own right. It's a silly statement that sounds more peevish than analytical.
Very simply, my problem with the film was that the character of Juno wasn't convincing. She didn't move me. Was it the fault of the dialogue? The acting? Director? A bit of all, probably. All I know for sure was that there was a wall between the 16-year-old Juno and authentic pathos. Michael Cera's character was real to his core, but Ellen Page sounded like she was playing to a studio audience. Not because she was 'different', not because she dared to be clever, but because she lacked basic authenticity. Her speech cadence sounded like she was doing stand-up comedy and, I'm sorry, but it almost never felt like she was really feeling what she was supposed to be feeling. |
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| jeremy |
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I'm sure Lorne's not wasted doing what he's doing otherwise he'd be doing something else...like writing.
Which I think is my way of saying 'word'. |
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