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inlareviewer
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:48 am Reply with quote
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Well, it's soon time for The Press Conference Formerly Known As The Gilded Globules Awards airing tonight. Had high hopes that NBC's hastily assembled past-show clip-show would serve up fashion disasters and hairdon'ts to avoid during the Blanche Run-Up. However, the Follywood Horeign Ess Prassociation has retrieved control of the castbroad from General Electric's Sinking Network, so it's anyone's guess. The commercials have sampled various treasured past speeches/segments, such as La Lahti In The Loo, which would only have been been more deevoon had there been tissue trailing from her shoe. Or was there? It's all a blur.
(insert tongue-in-cheek emoticon here).

http://theenvelope.latimes.com/awards/globes/env-globes-nbc11jan11,0,2490498.story?coll=env-home-top-headlines

LAT Gold Derby blogger Tom O'Neil talks to a few Racso voters about various talked-about fillums. As long rumored, it appears that many Aclademy For-Your-Consideration screeners really do go unwatched by those who vote, which certainly explains a lot.

http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2008/01/heres-what-some.html

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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:01 am Reply with quote
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Because he was one of an exalted breed -- an American? Or because he was white? Jewish? A journalist? The manner in which he was killed? (For that matter, what were the reasons that he was targetted ... as the film never made clear).


I'm not sure what world you live in but the answer is two of the speculated reasons in your above comment and they aren't 'white' or 'journalist'.

Do you just bleed for these maniacs but not listen to their pronouncements?
lshap
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:11 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly is well made and certainly worthy of respect, but when I see a movie about a man who writes a book when all he can move is one eyelid and I don't shed even one tear, I think something's wrong. I don't like to be manipulated obviously, but some catharsis is called for here which the overly intellectualized Julian Schnabel movie doesn't give us. It's not remotely a bad film, but neither is it worthy of the hosannas it's been getting from the media.


This is a better-written version of the paragraph I wrote on the film, echoing the exact same opinion. More evidence that Billy and I are the conjoined twins of 2007's litter of critics.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:52 am Reply with quote
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lshap wrote:
billyweeds wrote:
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly is well made and certainly worthy of respect, but when I see a movie about a man who writes a book when all he can move is one eyelid and I don't shed even one tear, I think something's wrong. I don't like to be manipulated obviously, but some catharsis is called for here which the overly intellectualized Julian Schnabel movie doesn't give us. It's not remotely a bad film, but neither is it worthy of the hosannas it's been getting from the media.


This is a better-written version of the paragraph I wrote on the film, echoing the exact same opinion. More evidence that Billy and I are the conjoined twins of 2007's litter of critics.


I noticed that we were on the very same letter-by-letter (this is a Diving Bell joke) page. Hey, bro. (But your paragraph was just as well-written IMO.)

I also agree with mo that The Sea Inside did nothing for me. (And I thought Bardem's performance was wildly overrated, btw.) The Diving Bell is a lot better than that, a lot, but it still left me strangely cold.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:26 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
I didn't really understand why a film about Daniel Pearl would star Angelina Jolie. It turns out that A Mighty Heart is really the Mariane Pearl story plus the investigation of her husband's kidnapping. One problem is that we don't get much of a feel for Daniel Pearl. I would have been interested in hearing some of his writing....


I think his writing might have been boring or dated. He was a reporter for the "Wall Street Journal."

I think the Jolie-Pitts thought that by having the participation of Mariane Pearl plus the Pearl parents they had a real coup. Mariane's pregnancy adds to the drama. Also with the full participation of the Pearl family (the dvd has a lot on it about the Daniel Pearl Foundation), they probably had a much easier time of getting the script together.

As to the crowdedness of Pakistan (or India, where the film was shot) - it's really like that. It didn't occur to me that someone might object to that element of the story.

This is one of those films where the social conscience of the Jolie-Pitt's comes thru.

The _reason_ given for his kidnapping in the film is that he was a spy for the CIA. The story is not presented with hindsight, so to me it was to necessary to know much more than that.

The Americans in the film are window dressing. They are Embassy types and are not meant to be all that helpful. Mariane herself is French with a Cuban mother. Pearl's ass't. is an Muslim Indian woman.

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I'm not defending the film - just trying to answer your questions.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:39 am Reply with quote
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marantzo wrote:
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Because he was one of an exalted breed -- an American? Or because he was white? Jewish? A journalist? The manner in which he was killed? (For that matter, what were the reasons that he was targetted ... as the film never made clear).


I'm not sure what world you live in but the answer is two of the speculated reasons in your above comment and they aren't 'white' or 'journalist'.

Do you just bleed for these maniacs but not listen to their pronouncements?


Did you even see the film?
It was based on the book by his wife and presented from her point of view, and makes a point of saying that few in Pakistan knew that Pearl was Jewish and that he wasn't observant or outwardly Jewish. Speculation in the film was that it was because he worked for the WSJ and they had just turned over documents to the CIA, and therefore Pearl was presumed to be CIA. Finding out that he was Jewish very likely hastened his death, but certainly from the film it is not at all clear that was a reason that he was kidnapped.

My main question was what was special about Danny Pearl that I should be significantly affected by his death rather than that of anyone else, of whatever nationality, kidnapped and killed by these or other terrorist groups. I think it was the fact that he was a journalist and the method of death combined with the video shock which made his ordeal stand out.

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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:50 am Reply with quote
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At the time I found Pearl's death shocking. And so did many others. His death is what made Pakistan off-limits to American travelers. A tour mgr. friend who does trips in Asia can no longer do any trips thru Pakistan.

Pearl was one of those "best and the brightest" types. Stanford grad. Great career. Young, good-looking. Had an accomplished wife. About to become a father. An innocent guy just doing his job. (Albeit he used bad judgment.)

Perhaps Iraq has hardened us so that the death of a journalist is not so shocking.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:00 pm Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:
Perhaps Iraq has hardened us so that the death of a journalist is not so shocking.

I think most people are tired of anything that's attached to Iraq. Even when it's a story about an journalist just doing his job.

Haven't seen AMH yet, but I will someday.

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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:15 pm Reply with quote
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chillywilly wrote:
mo_flixx wrote:
Perhaps Iraq has hardened us so that the death of a journalist is not so shocking.

I think most people are tired of anything that's attached to Iraq. Even when it's a story about an journalist just doing his job.

Haven't seen AMH yet, but I will someday.


I have to say that I was very moved during my visit to Al Jazeera when I saw the bloody jackets from reporters in the trophy cases in their lobby.

In the U.S., the ABC journalist (forgotten his name) who was wounded generated a lot of publicity. He had a long recovery.

Imagine the shock if Christina Amanpour or Anderson Cooper were suddenly killed or wounded on the job.
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That would be very moving to see in person.

And losing a high profile, well known journalist to the war would probably wake up a lot of people that didn't take notice before.

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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:39 pm Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
marantzo wrote:
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Because he was one of an exalted breed -- an American? Or because he was white? Jewish? A journalist? The manner in which he was killed? (For that matter, what were the reasons that he was targetted ... as the film never made clear).


I'm not sure what world you live in but the answer is two of the speculated reasons in your above comment and they aren't 'white' or 'journalist'.

Do you just bleed for these maniacs but not listen to their pronouncements?


Did you even see the film?
It was based on the book by his wife and presented from her point of view, and makes a point of saying that few in Pakistan knew that Pearl was Jewish and that he wasn't observant or outwardly Jewish. Speculation in the film was that it was because he worked for the WSJ and they had just turned over documents to the CIA, and therefore Pearl was presumed to be CIA. Finding out that he was Jewish very likely hastened his death, but certainly from the film it is not at all clear that was a reason that he was kidnapped.

My main question was what was special about Danny Pearl that I should be significantly affected by his death rather than that of anyone else, of whatever nationality, kidnapped and killed by these or other terrorist groups. I think it was the fact that he was a journalist and the method of death combined with the video shock which made his ordeal stand out.


First of all, if someone's last name is Pearl you can bet that they are Jewish. Secondly, when did it ever matter to Jew haters if the Jew was observant or not? Thirdly, there is no doubt that the Al Qaida linked terrorists knew he was Jewish right from the start regardless if Pakistanis generally didn't. Fourthly, I never read the book, but I know the case. The canard that they killed him because of some espionage connection is a feeble excuse by the terrorists to make their kiilling of an American Jew was something other than what it was, hatred for Americans and Jews.

It's so touching that you are touched equally by the deaths of all humanity. Aren't you special.
Ghulam
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I liked A Mighty Heart a tad more than Gromit did, but I found Angelina's feigned accent distracting and annoying.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:08 pm Reply with quote
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I liked A Mighty Heart a tad more than Gromit did, but I found Angelina's feigned accent distracting and annoying.


Did you seem her in Sky Captain? Talk about a distracting, annoying feigned accent.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:17 pm Reply with quote
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marantzo wrote:
Ghulam wrote:
I liked A Mighty Heart a tad more than Gromit did, but I found Angelina's feigned accent distracting and annoying.


Did you seem her in Sky Captain? Talk about a distracting, annoying feigned accent.


Yes, it was the same feigned accent. She would probably use it if she was playing a Chinese Red Guard too.
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I quite like her accent when she's playing Lara Croft

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