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chillywilly
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:05 am Reply with quote
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jeremy wrote:
The Golden Compass has so far made a creditable $250M at the international box office, yet America hated it. Some of the other boxoffice figures make interresting reading. It seems that tastes in America and the rest of the world seem to be diverging.

I'm glad the movie is doing well somewhere.

I think it's multi part for the lack of interest here in the states, but as much as I hate to play the "blame it on the right wing" card, they do take some responsibility. I got several emails that made it through the forward chain that proclaimed "don't go see this movie" That and tons of articles in magazines like Entertainment Weekly and other movie rags, raising attention to the controversy of the movie.

I think part of it is the fact of how much was changed from the book to the movie, which was done to not piss off the christian-going audience (per comments from the director and Phillip Pulman himself). As my fiance had read the books, and she saw the movie (i've not seen it yet), the book was riveting. She mentioned how many different parts of the book that should have made it to the movie, but didn't. And that was disappointing.

What puzzles me is that a movie of this story-telling style (CGI effects, mythical characters) that didn't do well, but a movie like Chronicles of Narnia seemed to do a lot better. I know the stories are different (Narnia is very biblical), but it would have been nice to see TGC do better to get the green light on the other two movie adaptations of the books.

I hope to see this soon (on the big screen at the dollar theaters) and can make my own opinion about why it may have not done so well.

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gromit
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:42 am Reply with quote
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The Kite Runner tried way too hard to be dramatic and messed up a simple story set in the interesting and very dangerous recent history of Afghanistan (just prior to the Soviet invasion thru to the Taliban reign).

The acting and dialogue are mostly just okay. The land is pretty scenic, though they also try too hard to make kite flying beautiful and exciting. I did like the opening credit sequence and most of the music throughout.

Nothing special, but an entirely decent film, until it becomes clear where the plot is headed and you are powerless to alter the course. It also failed to deal with some moral issues which are raised by the head of the orphanage, choosing instead to become stupidly DRAMATIC.

Not sure many have seen this, but I'll go back and check out Mo's comments.

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mo_flixx
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:00 am Reply with quote
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tirebiter wrote:
The evangelical right did a real number on The Golden Compass here in the US-- they convinced us that just watching it makes you prey to Satan's wiggling fingers.

Haven't seen it, but I've read the (excellent) books, and will be going to Hell as a result.


This was strange because I found no evidence of atheism in the film. (I know the books' author is an atheist).

However, NARNIA's allusions to Christianity are unmistakable.

(Does that mean that if I saw both movies, I'll go to Purgatory instead of Hell?)

Wink


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carrobin
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:01 am Reply with quote
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As someone who read the Pullman trilogy but still hasn't seen "The Golden Compass," I suspect that the film's lack of success here also has something to do with its timing. Considering the opposition of the Evangelicals, it was doomed as a holiday family film unless people had actually read the book, which is never something to rely on. And I'm bothered by the reports that the film cuts back on many of the book's elements--that story offers so much opportunity for fabulous drama and effects. But of course I still want to see it...
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chillywilly
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:05 am Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:
tirebiter wrote:
The evangelical right did a real number on The Golden Compass here in the US-- they convinced us that just watching it makes you prey to Satan's wiggling fingers.

Haven't seen it, but I've read the (excellent) books, and will be going to Hell as a result.


This was strange because I found no evidence of atheism in the film. (I know the books' author is an atheist).

However, NARNIA's allusions to Christianity are unmistakable.

Didn't see tire's post before I posted mine. I agree with his statement.

As for why you didn't see any atheism in the film, that's the "taken out" part that I referred to in my post.

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mo_flixx
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carrobin wrote:
As someone who read the Pullman trilogy but still hasn't seen "The Golden Compass," I suspect that the film's lack of success here also has something to do with its timing. Considering the opposition of the Evangelicals, it was doomed as a holiday family film unless people had actually read the book, which is never something to rely on. And I'm bothered by the reports that the film cuts back on many of the book's elements--that story offers so much opportunity for fabulous drama and effects. But of course I still want to see it...


It was a _family_ film only in the sense that it was appropriate for preteens. There were some much too scary moments for the little ones.

IMO the film was far superior in terms of production design and CGI to "The Chronicles of Narnia" which at times looked amateurish.
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billyweeds
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:27 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
The Kite Runner tried way too hard to be dramatic and messed up a simple story set in the interesting and very dangerous recent history of Afghanistan (just prior to the Soviet invasion thru to the Taliban reign).

The acting and dialogue are mostly just okay. The land is pretty scenic, though they also try too hard to make kite flying beautiful and exciting. I did like the opening credit sequence and most of the music throughout.

Nothing special, but an entirely decent film, until it becomes clear where the plot is headed and you are powerless to alter the course. It also failed to deal with some moral issues which are raised by the head of the orphanage, choosing instead to become stupidly DRAMATIC.

Not sure many have seen this, but I'll go back and check out Mo's comments.


I saw it--and commented. Although I thought the movie was imperfect, the final scene's effect was entirely cathartic and left me satisfied. The final line was amazingly moving.
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lshap
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 am Reply with quote
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jeremy wrote:
The Golden Compass has so far made a creditable $250M at the international box office, yet America hated it. Some of the other boxoffice figures make interresting reading. It seems that tastes in America and the rest of the world seem to be diverging.


Atheism, Shmatheism. The only "Ism" that properly describes The Golden Compass is Poorscreenwritingism. I never read the book, but the film's premise is thrown out in a messy scramble of rules about "Dust", "Demons" and "Compasses". No backstory, no character development, no chance to get to know this particular universe or care one way or another what happens. The film gives you the rules to the game in the first five minutes, you're told who hates who, you're told that this compass is really, REALLY important, and, pat pat on the head, just watch everybody chase each other and follow along.The Golden Compass is a nifty-looking but shallow computer game, nothing more.

As to its religious slant, the story is quite obviously anti-cleric, but it's just as obviously pro-spiritual. A main theme was how horrible it was to split people from their natural demon spirits. Would that humanist, new-age message piss off the clergy? Maybe. Would a pissed-off clergy make a difference in the box office? No. Never has before. The only thing I believe HAS affected the box office is the fact that it's a lousy movie. Readers of the book from across the pond may have flocked out of curiosity, but the non-reading movie-goers on this side have stayed home.
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carrobin
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:44 am Reply with quote
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If the evangelical and Catholic protesters think "Golden Compass" is anti-religion, they would have serious fits if the third book were ever filmed. Though it's the weakest of the trilogy, its vision of the final battle between the leagues of angels and the helpless antique god they serve is extremely heretical. I wondered when I read it whether the books were so below-the-radar here that nobody had noticed and protested, especially since the series is ostensibly for "young people." If I'd read it when I was 12 (and I was reading far ahead of my age then), I'd have been somewhat traumatized. (Yet some of them fuss about Harry Potter!)
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mo_flixx
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:50 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
The Kite Runner tried way too hard to be dramatic and messed up a simple story set in the interesting and very dangerous recent history of Afghanistan (just prior to the Soviet invasion thru to the Taliban reign).

The acting and dialogue are mostly just okay. The land is pretty scenic, though they also try too hard to make kite flying beautiful and exciting. I did like the opening credit sequence and most of the music throughout.

Nothing special, but an entirely decent film, until it becomes clear where the plot is headed and you are powerless to alter the course. It also failed to deal with some moral issues which are raised by the head of the orphanage, choosing instead to become stupidly DRAMATIC.

Not sure many have seen this, but I'll go back and check out Mo's comments.


My interest in the film is mainly the locations used in NW China (Xinjiang Province). I'd like to know more about the making of "The Kite Runner."

I recommend the movie, but it won't be on my best of 2007 list.
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tirebiter
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:06 pm Reply with quote
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Re. The Golden Compass and atheism: the first book (the one that was filmed) is not expressly representative of an anti-theist view. By the third volume (as noted by carrobin), all the characters are screaming "FUCK THE POPE! FUCK THE POPE!" and the dead carcass of God is barbecued and eaten by the protagonists. It'll be tricky to film with sensitivity.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:19 pm Reply with quote
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tirebiter wrote:
Re. The Golden Compass and atheism: the first book (the one that was filmed) is not expressly representative of an anti-theist view. By the third volume (as noted by carrobin), all the characters are screaming "FUCK THE POPE! FUCK THE POPE!" and the dead carcass of God is barbecued and eaten by the protagonists. It'll be tricky to film with sensitivity.


I wrote before that the readers' comments at www.amazon.com shed quite a bit of light on the entire controversy. They made me want to read Vol. II of the trilogy some time. Vols. I and II are supposed to be real pageturners.
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carrobin
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:25 pm Reply with quote
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Yes, "The Golden Compass" and "The Subtle Knife" are excellent.
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gromit
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:26 pm Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:

My interest in the film is mainly the locations used in NW China (Xinjiang Province). I'd like to know more about the making of "The Kite Runner."


I thought the Pakistan border town was really Kashgar China, but could be wrong. You might be interested to know that not only was this filmed in Pakistan and China, but the two main older actors (Amir's father and the father's friend/adviser) are of Iranian descent. There's a message board thread on IMDb about their Iranian accents being wrong for Dari speaking Afghans. I, of course noticed nothing suspicious.

Re the ending, you're memory surpasses mine. Just shows how you stayed in the film, while I kind of got sucked out of it by the out-of-Afghanistan Richard Gere in China moment. I also seem to remember a number of false endings, which lulled me. Maybe I'll go back and check out the ending.

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billyweeds
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:59 pm Reply with quote
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What is the "Richard Gere in China" thing you're talking about? Either you're not talking about The Kite Runner or you're talking metaphorically. Gere is not in The Kite Runner.
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