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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:00 pm Reply with quote
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mo--I see you still have trouble accepting the American title. But to me Away from Her is a much better title than Far from Her, no matter what "loin" means literally. There is even a poignant line of dialogue from the husband early in the film where he says something like, "From the very moment I met her I never wanted to be away from her." That to me is way more effective than "far from her" would have been.


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mo_flixx
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:39 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
mo--I see you still have trouble accepting the American title. But to me Away from Her is a much better title than Far from Her, no matter what "loin" means literally. There is even a poignant line of dialogus from the husband early in the film where he says something like, "From the very moment I met her I never wanted to be away from her." That to me is way more effective than "far from her" would have been.


billy -

Let me explain it this way....I retain what I hear or see FIRST. It has to do with memory and how my mind works.

For example, when I told the alarm company man what code I wanted, he misquoted it back to me with transposed numbers. I still have trouble remembering the code I SPECIFIED to this day just because of his mistake.

Another example...in a noisy situation, I heard a woman say about her husband "Dave is...." I couldn't hear well and thought that his name was "Davis" and had to work especially hard to remember that his name was "Dave."

If I had seen the film in the U.S., I'd have no trouble remembering the correct title of the film.

The best way I can think of now to remember the title is just to say to myself think of it in alphabetical order: "A" (away) takes precedence over "F" (far). I'll try this and see if it works.

BTW as far as I know "loin" can translate into either far or away. I'm not aware of any subtle differences.
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:38 pm Reply with quote
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Killer of Sheep is the most profound look at the American underclass you will ever see. It's a day in the life of a loving couple in Watts, and how everything they struggle with is so much more complicated by being poor. You'll never think of the term "grinding poverty" in the same way as before. It should be shown at high schools.

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Befade
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:53 pm Reply with quote
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Killer of Sheep has almost been forgotten in the best of 2007 lists.....except Manohla Dargis mentioned it in today's NYT.

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FAR FROM HER strikes me as the most meaningful film on Alzheimer's to date.


I'm not sure.......remember Gena Rowlands in The Notebook?

Alzheimer's usually is revealed in changed emotional responses...... anger specifically. My stepmother died of dementia 2 years ago and she just stopped talking. However.....her sense of direction was still keen. She'd find her car in the parking lot and drive back to her house after she'd moved to the nursing home 25 miles away. (She shouldn't have been driving of course.) At the same time, she was unable to order from a menu.

Speaking of women facing death: I liked Evening. (Am I the only one here?) This was another disease....cancer......and Vanessa Redgrave did justice to a woman under the thrall of morphine memories. The scene when her old college friend, played by Meryl Streep, comes to her death bed and comforts her was very fine, very special.

I enjoyed seeing Meryl's daughter Mamie Gummer playing the same role 50 years earlier. She has the Streep nose and mouth.....but her eyes are softer and there's nothing strident about her. I found her very watchable, likeable.

But I don't get the appeal of Patrick Wilson.....he looks like an unfunny Woody Harrellson.......I don't think he's that good looking and he comes across cold.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:16 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:
Killer of Sheep has almost been forgotten in the best of 2007 lists.....except Manohla Dargis mentioned it in today's NYT.

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FAR FROM HER strikes me as the most meaningful film on Alzheimer's to date.


I'm not sure.......remember Gena Rowlands in The Notebook?

Alzheimer's usually is revealed in changed emotional responses...... anger specifically. My stepmother died of dementia 2 years ago and she just stopped talking. However.....her sense of direction was still keen. She'd find her car in the parking lot and drive back to her house after she'd moved to the nursing home 25 miles away. (She shouldn't have been driving of course.) At the same time, she was unable to order from a menu.

Speaking of women facing death: I liked Evening. (Am I the only one here?) This was another disease....cancer......and Vanessa Redgrave did justice to a woman under the thrall of morphine memories. The scene when her old college friend, played by Meryl Streep, comes to her death bed and comforts her was very fine, very special.

I enjoyed seeing Meryl's daughter Mamie Gummer playing the same role 50 years earlier. She has the Streep nose and mouth.....but her eyes are softer and there's nothing strident about her. I found her very watchable, likeable.

But I don't get the appeal of Patrick Wilson.....he looks like an unfunny Woody Harrellson.......I don't think he's that good looking and he comes across cold.


THE NOTEBOOK seemed like one of those disease movies of the week for TV. I thought AWAY FROM HER was a much better examination of the disease, and Christie's performance superior.
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billyweeds
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:25 pm Reply with quote
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Killer of Sheep is tied as my favorite movie of the year, but it has to have an asterisk next to it, since it was made in 1977. It is a great film.
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Befade
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:04 pm Reply with quote
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THE NOTEBOOK seemed like one of those disease movies of the week for TV. I thought AWAY FROM HER was a much better examination of the disease, and Christie's performance superior.


Altzheimer's is a specific form of dementia. And generally it is marked with personality change (an autopsy is the only real proof). Christie remained kind and warm. Rowlands was downright mean......which would fit with Altzheimer's.
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Earl
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:04 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:


I watched The Girl in the Cafe with Bill Nighy and Kelly McDonald (?). Somebody here recommended it. It's a film that starts out one way and ends up at the other end of the football field. You think you are going to see a slightly boring May/December romance between two shy people with poor communication skills. Hang on!

Bill Nighy was just incredible in the first 45 minutes. I kept thinking he would make a wonderful mime. What he does just with body language and facial expressions make dialogue unneccessary. I'm not sure the whole film works when it becomes a message movie.......but......worth seeing. The Iceland location was a nice note.


That may have been yours truly who recommended it. I've been quietly talking up The Girl in the Cafe for the last couple years.

You're right about the way the movie takes an unexpected turn. The script was written by Richard Curtis, who also wrote the screenplays for both of the Bridget Jones movies; Love, Actually; Notting Hill and Four Weddings and a Funeral. And, for a while, with The Girl in the Cafe it seems as if the viewer is in familiar Richard Curtis territory, but then he takes it somewhere very different.

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mo_flixx
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:46 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:
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THE NOTEBOOK seemed like one of those disease movies of the week for TV. I thought AWAY FROM HER was a much better examination of the disease, and Christie's performance superior.


Altzheimer's is a specific form of dementia. And generally it is marked with personality change (an autopsy is the only real proof). Christie remained kind and warm. Rowlands was downright mean......which would fit with Altzheimer's.


Betsy,

Check the long and very informative wikipedia.org entry for Alzheimer's. It does not make this distinction, although it classifies Alzheimer's as a form of dementia.
Both films ARE MENTIONED in the entry, btw, and described as dealing with Alzheimer's.
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ehle64
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Merry Fucking X-Mas, but this Alzheimer's shit has really, REALLY dragged me down.

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inlareviewer
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:22 pm Reply with quote
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ehle64 wrote:
Merry Fucking X-Mas, but this Alzheimer's shit has really, REALLY dragged me down.
Don't get me started. Too-close-to-the-bone-ness has caused me to drag my feet on both Ms. Polley's debut directorial and The Savages, despite incessantly hectoring reminders from The Gnu Christie Mistrals and The League of Linney Lovers.

And a Merry Schtupping X-Mas, to all and theirs.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:04 pm Reply with quote
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Am I supposed to break out the candy canes and down an egg nog just because it's Christmas?

Life goes on...and it's not so easy sometimes. Not for anyone.

My thought for the day is that I am thankful that I am more fortunate than many others in this world. I don't think it would be an overstatement to say that most of us on 3rd Eye have it better than the average Ethiopian, but I can't see any wisdom in being a Pollyanna (even on Christmas).
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lady wakasa
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I'm watching The Flower of My Secret, and noticed that the plot of one of the author's books is a major plot point in Volver. For that matter, a lot of the "facts" in the movie (the senile mother from the village, the daughters trying to take care of her) are items more fully developed in Volver.

Hmmm...

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marantzo
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:50 am Reply with quote
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When I bitch and get pissed about something in my life, which is usually inconsequential. I always think about how I am in probably the top 1% to 5%
of the world's most fortunate. Tragedy inevitably hits all members of the human race, but the most fortunate have many more resources to cope with these horrible setbacks, so as upset as I may get, I can't help but think about how lucky I am in relation to most, by being born into a life of relative comfort. This also gives me qualms about the possibility of re-incarnation, because I think the odds of me returning in comfortable circumstances again, are against it.
mo_flixx
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:40 am Reply with quote
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marantzo wrote:
When I bitch and get pissed about something in my life, which is usually inconsequential. I always think about how I am in probably the top 1% to 5%
of the world's most fortunate. Tragedy inevitably hits all members of the human race, but the most fortunate have many more resources to cope with these horrible setbacks, so as upset as I may get, I can't help but think about how lucky I am in relation to most, by being born into a life of relative comfort. This also gives me qualms about the possibility of re-incarnation, because I think the odds of me returning in comfortable circumstances again, are against it.


I don't know about reincarnation, but...

Someone gave me the book _Don't Sweat the Small Stuff_. I never actually read it but did skim thru. One of the best things I found was "Will you remember this problem in a year?" I thought that that was one of the best gauges I've ever found.
Sometimes something really gets in my craw, so to speak. If I say will I remember it in a year and the answer is NO; I REALLY try hard to NOT let it bother me. I usually have to struggle with the problem for a day or two, but at least I know intellectually that I'm dealing with some relatively petty stuff.
AND...after a year, I can usually laugh about it.
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