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| marantzo |
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| The morning after the Grammy awards show, I was listening to a morning radio show in Atlanta and the two hosts were discussing a song that Patti Smith sang, saying that she said she wanted to sing her mother's favourite song and then sang a song with the 'N' word in it. They were aghast. They said that the network bleeped the "F' words out but left the 'N' word which they said was used over and over again. They thought it was just horrible and wanted to know if anyone knew the name of the song. I knew but didn't phone in. I hadn't seen the show. The song was Rock N' Roll Nigger and these guys had no idea what the song was saying. A great song by the way. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:58 pm |
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Quote: Even if you want to go from the point of view that we are all carry bigotry within us, which will surface, that probably should lead to empathy for Imus, who in your view is suffering from something out of his control, and innate in everyone, rather than as something specifically wrong with him.
Joe,
You make a good point. And perhaps this should be a good starting point to move the discussion forward. And I do think the discussion needs to move forward. But I don't believe and I could be wrong, that most of us wouldn't say in private what Imus said on national radio.
Times have changed. Twenty years ago this whole thing would have been ignored. Thankfully women and African Americans are now in a position to be angry over comments such as Imus'. And I understand he makes comments like these regularly but this time he made them at the expense of a group of women who did nothing to deserve them. And thankfully they responded. It's about time.
And for the record, I would have preferred that this discussion move forward instead of Imus being firing. But I understand the heads of NBC and CBS listened to both their advertisers and more importantly, their employees who were unhappy with the suspension. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:51 pm |
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I guess it is all—really—context. The reason we wouldn't say it over the radio is not because we think it is "wrong" but because we are afraid people will mistake our intentions, that they will paint us as bigots when in fact we're just doing a riff on the vernacular. That's why no one attacks Tarentino for his repeated use of the word "nigger." When Imus, a mean-looking guy in a cowboy hat, says something that, as language, is not half so offensive, it nevertheless sets off a powder keg.
As I said earlier, we allow some people the use of words and phrases we don't allow others. And I have a real problem with that, even as I understand the complicated issues that make us reach this decision (to take an extreme example, we know the difference between words that come out of Chris Rock's mouth vs. David Duke's). |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:28 pm |
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| What a complete moron. OMG. get me oudda here. . . |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:39 pm |
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| More insults. Still no intellectual response. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:54 pm |
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| Does yer post really deserve one? You thrive on antagonism. Fine. Whatevs. Do yer dance. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:23 pm |
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ehle64 wrote: Does yer post really deserve one? You thrive on antagonism. Fine. Whatevs. Do yer dance.
ehle--I do not begin to understand what you are talking about. I don't see the antagonism in anyone except you. You are the one who tries to stir up shit. I just wish you could see that. It's crystal clear to anyone else. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:26 pm |
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| Which doesn't mean I agree with everything Joe is saying--I don't. Just that I understand what he's going for and I don't think he's being antagonistic. He doesn't agree with ehle's mindset. So fucking what??? |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:32 am |
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He really is going off the rails at this point. Gary for some reason isn't "stirring things up." And no one else seems to think I'm trying to "stir things up." They disagree with me, but that's it.
I stand by my comment over in Current Film that Ehle's intimidated by my posts. They challenge his preconceptions, and he isn't capable of responding to them, so he just freaks out. Like a fundamentalist discovering Darwin. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:28 am |
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| Wow. That's it. Thank U Brutha. I'm INTIMIDATED. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:05 am |
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| Well, of course, that's the only response you can give, isn't it? |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:01 am |
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| You. You got me pegged. |
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| bparton454 |
| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:25 am |
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[quote="grace"]billyweeds wrote: Shades of the Right Reverend Billy Sol Hargus, maybe?
Do you mean the famous Texas con-artist from the 60s, Billy Sol Estes? My late uncle got conned by him. |
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| bart |
| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:31 am |
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Ehle, you remind me hugely of my favorite uncle -- I adored the guy. He was quite feisty and very direct. But I think you're being too hard on Joe. Ok, I've stuck my nose in. Now I'm pulling it out.
Gary, re
"....he does ask questions that others don't, and serious questions..."
If that's true, then I'm sorry that the airwaves are losing that part of his show. But I still think some of his spew, even if it's meant as humor, is toxic. I think the news today, that he's been fired from radio as well as the simulcast thing, is a little sad. And overkill. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:44 am |
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[quote="bparton454"]grace wrote: billyweeds wrote: Shades of the Right Reverend Billy Sol Hargus, maybe?
Do you mean the famous Texas con-artist from the 60s, Billy Sol Estes? My late uncle got conned by him.
Hi, bparton, and welcome. Cute pup! Billy Sol Hargus was one of Imus' characters earlier in his career. Now that you mention it, I'm sure he was based on Billy Sol Estes.
Here's a blip on God's Other Son, the book Imus wrote as Billy Sol Hargus; the similarities are, well, similar.
"God had two sons. Jesus was His first, and I, Billy Sol Hargus, am His second." Thus begins Don Imus's riotously funny story about the life and times of the lecherous, corrupt, hustling, huckstering television evangelist who claims to have a 2,000 year old brother named Jesus. From his backwoods Texas country-preacher roots, Billy Sol rose to dazzle the nation as a Superstar Minister -- preaching at sold-out stadiums and traveling across the country.
Reverend Billy raked in the dough, the fame, and the women. And then it happened -- just like Amelia Earhart and Jimmy Hoffa, Billy Sol vanished one day into legend, disappearing from the face of the earth. But unlike anyone else in the Family, Billy kept a diary -- and now his tapes, believed lost, can finally be heard. Praise the Lord! |
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