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ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:54 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote: And it seems that Lady is indeed willing to have this conversation with me. Which I appreciate.
Like I said, CLUELESS. I never said that she wasn't willing to talk about this film with you, BUT, you're not in the same conversation with her and it must be frustrating for her and anyone else willing to play along this far. You get something up your ass and stick with it until it gets shitted out of you. How insulting. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:56 pm |
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Look at your language and talk about insulting.
That you can't follow the posts, or are too antagonistic to do so, is your issue, and has nothing to do with anything else. She's clearly responding to my comments, and I'm responding to here. No, we are not having entirely different conversations. Get over it.
And please stop trying to alienate me from other people. Let others decide whether they are communicating with me or not, and whether they want to be. It really isn't any of your business. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:00 pm |
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Fucking language? What an evasive prick. |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:20 pm |
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Some people sure do have their agendas around here. And their favorites. And their enemies. It's tiring. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:30 pm |
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Speaking of tiring, talk about predicting the future. There you are to defend him. Whatevs. If any of his arguments made a lick of sense, I'd let it drop, but he gets away with a lot of shit-stirring with nothing concrete to back it up. BO-=ring. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:13 pm |
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What on earth am I stirring up? Is Melody stirred up by my posts? Is Lady? I didn't like the movie, I explained why. They responded, and I appreciated their insight into the movie. We had a conversation, something that adults engage in. We managed to do it without flinging mud over a difference in interpretation, to boot.
You don't seem to understand that the point of a FILM SOCIETY is not to embrace a group-think mentality that drives out differences of opinion. It's a place to exchange ideas, where people of various minds can discuss their responses.
Obviously you're intimdated by differences of opinion. You start foaming at the mouth everytime it happens. That's really your issue. It has nothing to do with why I post. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:37 pm |
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GRINDHOUSE is gripping cutting edge cinema. Please see this, experience it on the big screen. The house was unfortunately less than half full, but it seemed very vocal. What a cool time @ the flickas. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:38 am |
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From Andrew O'Hehir at Salon:
Quote: In the obnoxious but charming little corner of the entertainment industry where I spend my professional life these days -- where, if you're not careful, you find yourself air-kissing someone and saying "See you at Cannes!" and meaning it -- there are a half-dozen or so movies every year that become scandalous or sensational or controversial without anybody actually seeing them. Or to put it another way, "everybody" sees them, meaning everybody in the semi-insider clique of a few thousand hollow-eyed people who attend film festivals compulsively, read cinephile blogs (what are your favorites?) and check the mailbox wistfully for the new issues of Sight & Sound and Film Comment.
There's a business trend story to discuss here, which is partly about the fact that film festivals are booming, even as the distribution market for small, ambitious independent cinema becomes increasingly difficult. Movies like "Battle in Heaven" and "Bamako" and "Los Muertos" and "Into Great Silence" (just to pick a few examples I've covered in the past year) could be described as hits on a certain level. They've packed festival screenings and sparked impassioned discussion and moved people to go out and read things and write things and make their own movies in response, all of which is pretty much the point of the whole exercise. But the cumulative total audience of all those films put together is basically zero, at least when you compare it, say, to the 3 million or so people who bought tickets for "Blades of Glory" last weekend. (Three effing million! Jesus H. Christ!)
But I do not come here today to debate the ever-so-interesting nuances of the filmgoing marketplace, nor to berate the masses for their execrable taste. (I'm sure "Blades of Glory" is the finest figure-skating comedy since, well, that other one.) Nay, my sermon this Thursday concerns "Red Road," a kick-ass, creepy, sexy mystery-thriller from Scotland that gets under your skin and wiggles around like a parasite. It's one of the movie-buff events of the year, or it ought to be. But it's in danger of becoming another festival hit, another well-respected movie that geeks like me (and possibly you, since you're reading this) talk about in terms of veneration but that hardly anybody actually sees. This must not be allowed to happen!
I've seen this before and I know the signs. "Red Road," which is the debut feature from British director Andrea Arnold, won the Jury Prize last spring at Cannes. (Basically, that's the third-place award, but it sure sounds good, doesn't it?) Then it played Toronto in the fall, where people loved it or hated it as the case may be -- it's a film that provokes a powerful emotional and visceral response -- and Sundance in the winter, where people loved and hated it some more. It played at film festivals in Helsinki and Cleveland and Bucharest and Santa Barbara, Calif., and I have no doubt that audiences in those places spilled out of the theaters talking about it.
So those people got to see it, and now Tartan Films (a plucky little art-film distributor I greatly admire) will play it for a few weeks in a few big cities, and pretty soon you'll be able to rent it from GreenCine and Netflix. That's how it works these days; I get that. But this one, folks, is some powerful cinema. You should see it on a big screen with other breathing humans in the room if you possibly can. "Red Road" is a genre movie that doesn't cheat you with cardboard characters and ludicrous coincidences. Its themes include sex, violence, revenge and guilt, but its settings and its people and its darkness and (finally) even its hopefulness come from the real world of human behavior.
As I wrote when I covered the film at Sundance, "Red Road" is anchored by an amazing performance from Scottish actress Kate Dickie, who plays Jackie, a single woman of 35 or so whose every word, every gesture, every mannerism conveys that there's something big she's holding back. Jackie works at a police surveillance post in Glasgow, monitoring the closed-circuit cameras that scan the city's notorious housing projects day and night. Arnold's script makes no explicit commentary on the 24-hour security state of contemporary urban Britain, but the film's pervasive mood of gloom and paranoia speaks volumes. (View and learn, aspiring politically minded screenwriters!)
One day while she's watching over the poor, depressed and marginally criminal from her panopticon viewing station, Jackie catches a glimpse of a redheaded guy (Tony Curran) hanging around Red Road, one of the most infamous Glaswegian housing blocks. He's not really doing anything, or at least anything unusual: He frequents hookers, smokes cigarettes in horrible little tea shops, drives around in a hand-painted locksmith's van trying to drum up some business, legal or otherwise. Is he who she thinks he is?
He is -- but we don't really know what that means, because stoic, lockjawed Jackie's giving nothing away. The guy's name is Clyde, and he's a lifelong Glasgow no-account who was recently paroled from prison. Clearly there's some history between him and Jackie, some history bad enough that she starts virtually (and then actually) stalking him, to the point of abdicating her actual duties. You may or may not guess what the back story is with Clyde and Jackie, but "Red Road" is only partly a detective story with its secrets buried in the past. Its real secret lies in the present, in the way that our lonely, vulnerable and -- let's just say this -- outrageously horny heroine gets drawn in by this dude, who may or may not have turned over a new leaf but is undeniably a charismatic bad boy with a twinkle in his eye.
There must be other neo-noir films with female protagonists; like the classic detective-movie hero, Jackie is a hard-boiled character damaged by the past, whose pursuit of a cold case leads her to fall in love (or at least in sweaty, animal lust) with the wrong person. But I can't think of any, just offhand. Arnold's gotten in trouble with some viewers for her presentation of female sexuality -- Jackie does something she shouldn't and then compounds it by doing something much worse -- but I think it's a mistake to view this film's potent erotic charge through that prism. Sex is a dangerous and powerful force, whether you're a man or a woman, gay or straight. It speaks a kind of crude, bodily truth, and sometimes (even often) takes us into dark places we're not sure we want to visit.
"Red Road" is a thriller that doesn't sacrifice the essential mysteries of its characters and grim, post-1984 setting to the conveniences of plot. Yes, the back story of Jackie and Clyde is revealed and dealt with, far more satisfactorily than in most thrillers. But the real story for these two characters, and for the extraordinary young director Andrea Arnold, is what lies ahead.
http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2007/04/12/btm/
I so desperately want to see this movie. I'm sure it's being rushed to Houston. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:07 am |
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Joe, I wrote a short review of Red Road a week or two back. Basically I was fairly disappointed with it.
It's sort of an intentionally ugly movie with not-so-interesting characters, while the main plot resolution left me unconvinced.
Red Road somewhat reminded me of Haneke's Cache, another film which delves into video/surveillance, an unexplained past relationship, and a shocking revelation/act. I really disliked Cache.
Arnold's short film Wasp won an Oscar and is available online. You can google it or find the link in my earlier post. Worth 15 minutes of your time, to get you primed for Red Road. For Wasp, imagine Sherrybaby with kids. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:16 am |
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gromit wrote: I really disliked Cache.
Word times 1,000. |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:31 am |
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gromit wrote: Joe, I wrote a short review of Red Road a week or two back. Basically I was fairly disappointed with it.
It's sort of an intentionally ugly movie with not-so-interesting characters, while the main plot resolution left me unconvinced.
Red Road somewhat reminded me of Haneke's Cache, another film which delves into video/surveillance, an unexplained past relationship, and a shocking revelation/act. I really disliked Cache.
Arnold's short film Wasp won an Oscar and is available online. You can google it or find the link in my earlier post. Worth 15 minutes of your time, to get you primed for Red Road. For Wasp, imagine Sherrybaby with kids.
Damn it. Oh well, at least if it never comes here, I don't have to be as bothered about it. But if it does, I still plan to check it out.
Will look up your review. Sorry I missed it earlier. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:48 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: gromit wrote: Joe, I wrote a short review of Red Road a week or two back. Basically I was fairly disappointed with it.
It's sort of an intentionally ugly movie with not-so-interesting characters, while the main plot resolution left me unconvinced.
Red Road somewhat reminded me of Haneke's Cache, another film which delves into video/surveillance, an unexplained past relationship, and a shocking revelation/act. I really disliked Cache.
Arnold's short film Wasp won an Oscar and is available online. You can google it or find the link in my earlier post. Worth 15 minutes of your time, to get you primed for Red Road. For Wasp, imagine Sherrybaby with kids.
Damn it. Oh well, at least if it never comes here, I don't have to be as bothered about it. But if it does, I still plan to check it out.
Will look up your review. Sorry I missed it earlier.
I missed it too. Your likening it to Cache goes a long way toward lessening my desire to see it. I cannot abide pretentious thrillers with more important agendas than to thrill. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:06 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I really liked Chuck and Buck.
that and Happiness
great heartbreaking and squirmy movies |
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Trish |
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:14 am |
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ehle64 wrote: gromit wrote: I really disliked Cache.
Word times 1,000.
yeah I was completely bored by it (with one good surprising scene - you had to endure much to get to) |
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:17 am |
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The "one good surprising scene" pushed Cache from dislike into hate territory for me.
I hope I didn't dissuade everyone from seeing Red Road. It's fairly uncompromising, and no doubt will appeal to some. I think it's going to get strong reactions either for or against. That reviewer obviously loved it. I just tried to go back to the NYT review of Red Road, which I skimmed quickly a week before watching the film, but the article has disappeared behind their paywall. |
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