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| jeremy |
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| It was definitely so many hours, probably thirteen, and was about The Cuban Missile Crisis, which is generally viewed as a Kennedy success, as opposed to The Bay Of Pigs, which isn't. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:07 am |
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| After almost 15 years, the Altman/Carver product Short Cuts remains fresh and engrossing. In several ways it is IMO one of Altman's best. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:14 am |
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| I watched Short Cuts on video at a party thing way back when. Whoever was in charge put the tapes on back to front and nobody realised until towards the end of the the second or rather the first tape that was put on second. The effect was prescient of the works of later filmmakers and remarkably withstood this treatment quite well. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:27 am |
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| With so many parallel shot stories in Short Cuts, it probably would not have made much of a difference. |
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| Jynx |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:07 am |
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Once again, I liked JFK and didn't think Costner did a bad job (except with the accent), but I justify that movie with:
JFK = Joe Pesci |
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| Jynx |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:07 am |
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| Maybe that's the problem, Costner DOESN'T do a bad job in some films but is constantly upstaged by his co-stars. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:30 am |
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jeremy wrote: It was definitely so many hours, probably thirteen, and was about The Cuban Missile Crisis, which is generally viewed as a Kennedy success, as opposed to The Bay Of Pigs, which isn't. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:50 am |
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Ghulam wrote: After almost 15 years, the Altman/Carver product Short Cuts remains fresh and engrossing. In several ways it is IMO one of Altman's best.
I find Short Cuts as totally repulsive as any movie I know. It is ugly and misanthropic to the max, as repellent as any slasher movie I've ever seen. It brings the fairly well-known subtext of Robert Altman's cynicism to the forefront. I really really hate this film.
Plus it's at least an hour too long. |
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| Melody |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:14 am |
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| I'm a big fan of Short Cuts. I think it's the gold standard of adapted screenplays. It astutely updates Carver into the early '90s while remaining focused on the timelessness of human foibles. This and Nashville are my two favorite Altmans. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:20 am |
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Melody wrote: I'm a big fan of Short Cuts. I think it's the gold standard of adapted screenplays. It astutely updates Carver into the early '90s while remaining focused on the timelessness of human foibles. This and Nashville are my two favorite Altmans.
Nashville is a great film and my favorite Altman. Short Cuts is my least favorite Altman outside of the really honestly literally unwatchable Quintet. |
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| Rod |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:46 am |
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Jynx wrote: JFK = Joe Pesci
Actually, for me JFK = Kevin Bacon.
The Legend of Zorro. Yeah, sure, it's not a patch on Mask, probably the best action-adventure films of the '90s. But it was fun enough in its own right. Banderas was in fine form, and Martin Campbell really is the best action director going in Hollywood at the moment, John Woo having fallen off the radar. I'd be more eager to watch another one, frankly, than another bloated Pirates of the Caribbean film. |
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| Melody |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:30 am |
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billyweeds wrote: Nashville is a great film and my favorite Altman. Short Cuts is my least favorite Altman...
I love it!
Somebody is probably way ahead of me on this one, but wouldn't it be interesting to do an analysis of women's opinions of Altman's so-called misanthropy? To me, Altman delves more into the ravages and, yes, triumphs of humanity. Sometimes it's ugly (Jennifer Jason Leigh in Short Cuts) and sometimes it's beautiful (Meryl Streep in A Prairie Home Companion), to give just two female examples. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:19 pm |
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| Boy did I dig CASINO ROYALE. Daniel Craig is a fantastic Bond. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:28 pm |
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Marc wrote: Boy did I dig CASINO ROYALE. Daniel Craig is a fantastic Bond.
IMO even better than Connery. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:54 pm |
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IMO even better than Connery.
I agree. Craig's Bond is a more brutal and effcient Bond than Connery's. I imagine a spy/assasin has to be machinelike in their methods. On the other hand, Craig is capable of a vulnerability and warmth that the more wisass Connery didn't possess. Craig is cool but seething underneath. Connery was more one-dimensional, sauve without soul. Also, Craig is the more physical and athletic of the two. |
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