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mo_flixx |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:36 am |
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lshap wrote: What made The Woodsman's pedophile sympathetic was his overcoming pedophilia.
Jackie Earle Haley's pedophile (LITTLE CHILDREN) had his moments (both repulsive and pathetic). |
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tirebiter |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:48 am |
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Bart: Sounds like a hard patch. I hope things go as well as they can for you and your dad. |
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bart |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:50 am |
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Thanks, all of you, for your kind words. We're at the bedside vigil phase and everyone concerned is operating with some sleep deprivation, which probably explains why I posted here instead of the Lobby.
And if any smokers here have the slightest desire to quit, I will more than happy to talk with you in detail about the end stages of the tobacco habit.
I can make it nice and real for you, instead of that foolish abstraction you might be nurturing in your head.
In the Lobby, of course. |
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whiskeypriest |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:04 am |
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Befade wrote: Pam wrote:
Quote: I don't think she was sadistic, just brutal to a beast. And I think there have been many, many movies about pedophilia (Anjelica Huston's Bastard Out of Carolina being one of the best) and it isn't an untapped frontier, even Kill Bill touched on it as best it could.
When I say pedophilia is an untapped frontier.......I mean the pedophile as a sympathetic figure in films. eg...The Woodsman. Lolita? |
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Trish |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:06 am |
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moving this from current film
well I finally saw The Notorious Betty Page and well I was very underwhelmed, in fact I was incredibly bored by the film. Mol is a beautiful girl and I guess I sort of understand you gentlemen going a bit ga ga over her performance - she made a lovely nude (and clothed) model but really a Blanche nod - for what? for what? her beautiful porcelain skin, perfect tits her boldness as far as nudity is concerned? big deal where was the beef (not beaver!)? I don't blame Mol that much she did the best I guess she could with how the role was written - but still it was dull dull dull |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:40 am |
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Trish--Couldn't disagree more if I tried with all my might. Mol was sensational, and not just because of her body. If you want a woman's viewpoint, check with Marj, or read Stephanie Zacharek in salon.com.
Here's the Zacharek link:
http://www.tiny.cc/ckVE0 |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:16 am |
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A quote from Zacharek's marvelously insightful review. Zacharek addresses here the criticism Marc had of the movie. He would be one of Stephanie's "literal-minded purists."
Mary Harron's deeply affectionate and subversively brainy "The Notorious Bettie Page" humanizes Page without demystifying her. Harron and her star, the astonishing Gretchen Mol, understand that we don't want our Bettie Page to be demystified: There may be some literal-minded purists who'll complain that Harron doesn't address the hardships Page faced in later life (including some mental-health problems that required her to be institutionalized for a time). But Harron's approach shows respect for the mirror figures of the mythical Bettie Page, the one we know so well from the treasure trove of pictures she's left for us to enjoy, and the real one, who, now in her 80s, lives quietly in Southern California. Harron's movie asks, and answers, the question of what the camera can tell us about a life. |
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Jynx |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:21 am |
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Quote: What made The Woodsman's pedophile sympathetic was his overcoming pedophilia.
I didn't see it that way, didn't he still
THE WOODSMAN SPOILERS
follow little girls, go to the school, try to have them sit in his lap, give longing looks from the bus or his window? I don't think that's overcoming anything. I would paint him more pitiful than sympathetic.
END THE WOODSMAN SPOILERS
The Pledge was a fine example of unspoken pedophilia. You just KNOW it was there w/o it being beaten into your head. Bravo Sean! |
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Trish |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:32 am |
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but it was sooo boring from beginning to end - I do get she was trying not to turn Bettie into a some fantasy fueled characterture and the point made in the court scene about similar scenes in hollywood films being okayed etc etc - but you know I watched a number of flms about censorship (ie. The People vs. Larry Flynt) and they had a hell of lot more compelling scenes in the court room than this film.
its was so damn dull and I left thinking who cares! - which is not where I wanted to end up |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:42 am |
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Trish wrote: but it was sooo boring from beginning to end - I do get she was trying not to turn Bettie into a some fantasy fueled characterture and the point made in the court scene about similar scenes in hollywood films being okayed etc etc - but you know I watched a number of flms about censorship (ie. The People vs. Larry Flynt) and they had a hell of lot more compelling scenes in the court room than this film.
its was so damn dull and I left thinking who cares! - which is not where I wanted to end up
I see Trish's point.
I think there were inherent script problems in this movie because the real Bettie is still alive. She has already been burned on her life story. The production faced litigation if they made a false step.
As I said before, Bettie's continual perkiness made me lose interest about 3/4 of the way thru the movie. I kept expecting to see some kind of change, but she was ever cheerful right to the end.
As to the Blanche nominations, I find them a surprise; especially in light of 2006's other women's performances (and wonderfully _written_ roles). |
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billyweeds |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:54 am |
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mo_flixx wrote: Trish wrote: but it was sooo boring from beginning to end - I do get she was trying not to turn Bettie into a some fantasy fueled characterture and the point made in the court scene about similar scenes in hollywood films being okayed etc etc - but you know I watched a number of flms about censorship (ie. The People vs. Larry Flynt) and they had a hell of lot more compelling scenes in the court room than this film.
its was so damn dull and I left thinking who cares! - which is not where I wanted to end up
As to the Blanche nominations, I find them a surprise; especially in light of 2006's other women's performances (and wonderfully _written_ roles).
Have you made your nominations yet? Don't think so; wondering what they will be. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:26 pm |
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Woohoo!!!


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Melody |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:31 pm |
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Bart, you have mail. |
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gromit |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:26 pm |
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Not bad, ehle.
But tonight I picked up:
Ministry of Fear (Fritz Lang)
Belle De Jour (Bunuel)
The Arrangement (Elia Kazan, w/ Kirk Douglas and Faye Dunaway)
Green For Danger (1946 British spy thriller)
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:02 pm |
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_________________ It truly disappoints me when people do something for you via no prompt of your own and then use it as some kind of weapon against you at a later time and place. It is what it is. |
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