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Melody |
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:18 am |
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I haven't seen Quinceanera, but I want to. I'd like to see how L.A. ceremonies differ from central/south Texas.
A couple of years ago, my daughter was asked to be in her friend Sarah's quinceanera court. Sarah was dressed like a bride and the girls in the court were basically bridesmaids. Sarah's mom explained to me as best she could (I have the hardest time grasping anything to do with religious rituals, especially Catholic) that Sarah was taking an oath to be faithful to the Church for the rest of her life -- in effect, a marriage.
Catholic families of Mexican descent here in Texas save up for years in order to be able to afford a quinceanera for their daughters. Sarah, for instance, had what was considered a "modest" ceremony, with six girls and accompanying escorts in her court, and a "modest" reception afterwards featuring a mariachi band, lots of food, a huge cake, etc. Everyone who attended was expected to give her parents an envelope containing cash.
To be honest ... it creeped me out a little. These girls were NOT thinking of the Church at any time leading up to and the day of; they were more concerned about who their escorts were going to be ("He's so disgusting, mom!") and coordinating hair, nail and makeup appointments.
I guess I just don't get it. Perhaps the movie will help. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:21 am |
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I hope it is taken mostly as a festive long held tradition by the participants rather than a religious indenture for a young girl or I'd have to say it is rather sick and primative. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:32 am |
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We're all primates, Marantz. Get off your high horse. |
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marantzo |
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:53 am |
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You're right clam, what was I thinking? |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:44 am |
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Melody wrote: I haven't seen Quinceanera, but I want to. I'd like to see how L.A. ceremonies differ from central/south Texas.
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I didn't really pick up on this particular Tejano kind of religious aspect in the film. It was more of a social event - almost a kind of Chicano prom/debutante affaire.
The movie explores the girl's troubled world and family with not as much emphasis on the actual Quinceanera.
It's a nice companion piece to REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES...and such a much more genuine heartfelt movie than the more episodic-TV flavored "Spanglish." |
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lady wakasa |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:34 pm |
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This looks really interesting, and it's available at amazon.co.uk.
Romance & Cigarettes
http://www.filmbrain.com/filmbrain/2007/01/queens_the_musi.html
A movie with James Gandolfini, Steve Buscemi, Kate Winslet, Susan Sarandon, Christopher Walken, Eddie Izzard, Elaine Stritch, Mary-Louise Parker, Mandy Moore, Barbara Sukowa and Kumar.
A musical.
Written by John Turturro.
Set in blue-collar Queens, in the flight path of Kennedy Airport, and described as "Mike Leigh meets Dennis Potter."
And for various reasons it looks like it'll never been released, much less available on DVD, in the US.
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I need to be independently wealthy. I'm uncovering too many things that I'd have to buy to see right now. |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:51 pm |
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lady wakasa wrote: This looks really interesting, and it's available at amazon.co.uk.
Romance & Cigarettes
http://www.filmbrain.com/filmbrain/2007/01/queens_the_musi.html
A movie with James Gandolfini, Steve Buscemi, Kate Winslet, Susan Sarandon, Christopher Walken, Eddie Izzard, Elaine Stritch, Mary-Louise Parker, Mandy Moore, Barbara Sukowa and Kumar.
A musical.
Written by John Turturro.
Set in blue-collar Queens, in the flight path of Kennedy Airport, and described as "Mike Leigh meets Dennis Potter."
And for various reasons it looks like it'll never been released, much less available on DVD, in the US.
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I need to be independently wealthy. I'm uncovering too many things that I'd have to buy to see right now.
Sounds like a MUST HAVE for Marc. I wonder if MONDO has got it. |
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gromit |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:05 pm |
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I enjoyed Romance & Cigs. In my Top Ten for 2006, along with Lonesome Jim, another overlooked film (about slackers, more or less). I'm not really much on musicals, but thought R&C was pretty engaging (and a little off-kilter).
I think I wrote a brief something on R&C months back. I'll search.
Oh well, I only wrote a brief summary of it when I first heard of it, before I saw it. Seems it has been shown at int'l film festivals since Sept. 2005. I picked up the dvd last summer. |
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lady wakasa |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:33 pm |
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I'm really tempted to just get it, although I was going to get a rare book of a screenplay - and Yaji and Kita, and When the Levees Broke, and the Forbidden Hollywood box...
This is why I need to be independently wealthy.
Any and all donations accepted! |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:33 pm |
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Melody wrote: I haven't seen Quinceanera, but I want to. I'd like to see how L.A. ceremonies differ from central/south Texas.
A couple of years ago, my daughter was asked to be in her friend Sarah's quinceanera court. Sarah was dressed like a bride and the girls in the court were basically bridesmaids. Sarah's mom explained to me as best she could (I have the hardest time grasping anything to do with religious rituals, especially Catholic) that Sarah was taking an oath to be faithful to the Church for the rest of her life -- in effect, a marriage.
Catholic families of Mexican descent here in Texas save up for years in order to be able to afford a quinceanera for their daughters. Sarah, for instance, had what was considered a "modest" ceremony, with six girls and accompanying escorts in her court, and a "modest" reception afterwards featuring a mariachi band, lots of food, a huge cake, etc. Everyone who attended was expected to give her parents an envelope containing cash.
To be honest ... it creeped me out a little. These girls were NOT thinking of the Church at any time leading up to and the day of; they were more concerned about who their escorts were going to be ("He's so disgusting, mom!") and coordinating hair, nail and makeup appointments.
I guess I just don't get it. Perhaps the movie will help.
Actually, it sounds like you get it pretty well. And I'd suggest a lot of brides are obsessed about other things (how wonderful things will look, how expensive the wedding will be, what kind of dress they can wear) than the union with a man to a life devoted to God and their mutual salvation, which is exactly what a Christian marriage is supposed to be. |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:04 pm |
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Joe Vitus wrote:
Actually, it sounds like you get it pretty well. And I'd suggest a lot of brides are obsessed about other things (how wonderful things will look, how expensive the wedding will be, what kind of dress they can wear) than the union with a man to a life devoted to God and their mutual salvation, which is exactly what a Christian marriage is supposed to be.
This sounds almost like nun's vow - but a lot more fun.
BTW, would you consider a gay Christian marriage to embody the same values? |
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:36 pm |
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84 Charing Cross Road is for anyone who has ever been in love with a musty old bookstore with ardent bibliophiles serving as the help. Eccentric NYer Anne Bancroft writes London bookshop owner Anthony Hopkins about an antiquarian book. Thus begins a twenty-year correspondence, with the two never meeting. There develops over time an unacknowledged mutual longing. Judi Dench is the silently jealous wife. (You know this from an unobserved half smile she once gives her husband over dinner.) No melodrama here; just a fine, unhurried, bitter sweet human story. |
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Marj |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:20 pm |
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And one which has always been a favorite of mine. |
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Rod |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:36 pm |
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I was watching Giant, but had to cry uncle somewhere in the second hour. Apart from Jimmy Dean's terrific physical characterization of resentful roughneck Jett Rink, and George Stevens trying desperately to make like this is some great work of art, there's no earthly reason to watch this film. Bland, plastic characterizations matched by bland, plastic performances by Elizabeth Taylor and Rock Hudson, who, initially, lends a disarming gentleness to his western macho icon, but quickly discards this for a nauseating pomposity. A major problem is I don't know who I'm supposed to root for. Sure, Jett's violent and uncouth, but I still sympathise more with his desperate attempts to mak something of himself than with the Benedict's American-Aristocrat self-satisfaction which, the plot arc implies, would be entirely okay if they could just learn to be a touch less racist. |
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mo_flixx |
Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:48 pm |
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Rod wrote: I was watching Giant, but had to cry uncle somewhere in the second hour. Apart from Jimmy Dean's terrific physical characterization of resentful roughneck Jett Rink, and George Stevens trying desperately to make like this is some great work of art, there's no earthly reason to watch this film. Bland, plastic characterizations matched by bland, plastic performances by Elizabeth Taylor and Rock Hudson, who, initially, lends a disarming gentleness to his western macho icon, but quickly discards this for a nauseating pomposity. A major problem is I don't know who I'm supposed to root for. Sure, Jett's violent and uncouth, but I still sympathise more with his desperate attempts to mak something of himself than with the Benedict's American-Aristocrat self-satisfaction which, the plot arc implies, would be entirely okay if they could just learn to be a touch less racist.
Sometime I will tell the story of how I found James Dean's Jett Rink tuxedo shirt from GIANT on the wardrobe rack at Warner Bros. What a thrill that was! |
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