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| Joe Vitus |
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| She is too sweet, Billy, but at least in one scene she is a pistol-packin' mamma. |
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| Rod |
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I've aways thought, whether by conscious or unconscious choice, Lesley Howard is deliberately feminine in GWTW; that's why Scarlet obsesses over him; she's a dom personality. So is Rhett, which is why they're both perfect and disastrous together.
Which is all why I love GWTW; it's one of the most complex and subtly kinky studies male-female relations ever put on screen. |
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| ehle64 |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:40 am |
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| and Hattie McDaniel kicks ass! |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:59 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Straight men seem to have a real problem giving Gone With the Wind a chance. I guess what they hear about it makes them think it's going to be a Halequin Romance kind of thing. I wish they'd look to their fathers and learn that romantic movies and musicals do not turn you gay on sight. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:52 am |
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| Because of the way straight young men (which I'll ball park at those born after 1967) are so antagonist towards watching either it or an old-fashioned musical, including your beloved Oklahoma! (which is beloved by me, too). They have it in their minds that these are for women or gay men, and they are at pains to avoid them. Not all straight men, of course, not film fanatics, for instance. But for the majority of straight men, they'd no sooner watch Gone With the Wind than listen to a recording of Judy Garland's standards. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:41 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Straight men seem to have a real problem giving Gone With the Wind a chance. I guess what they hear about it makes them think it's going to be a Halequin Romance kind of thing. I wish they'd look to their fathers and learn that romantic movies and musicals do not turn you gay on sight.
Where does that "straight men seem to have a problem seeing GWTW" come from? I've known quite a few straight men in my life and I've never come across that attitude.
And watch what you say about Harlequin romances. It's a Winnipeg institution which we have generously given to the world. |
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| marantzo |
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| I have to admit that I'm not all that familiar with the tastes of men born after 1967. Except of course for my son who was born in 1968. His taste in movies often baffles me. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:52 am |
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marantzo wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: Straight men seem to have a real problem giving Gone With the Wind a chance. I guess what they hear about it makes them think it's going to be a Halequin Romance kind of thing. I wish they'd look to their fathers and learn that romantic movies and musicals do not turn you gay on sight.
Where does that "straight men seem to have a problem seeing GWTW" come from? I've known quite a few straight men in my life and I've never come across that attitude.
And watch what you say about Harlequin romances. It's a Winnipeg institution which we have generously given to the world. |
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| marantzo |
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| I've always seen "the casual racism" in GWTW as a reflection of the times it was portraying. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:55 am |
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| Of course, I can only tell you my experience. And it is that most men of my generation and after will not watch Gone With the Wind. It's a "chick flick." Should this be an aberration among gender-distressed Texans, I would be happy to find that out. |
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| whiskeypriest |
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Joe Vitus wrote: Of course, I can only tell you my experience. And it is that most men of my generation and after will not watch Gone With the Wind. It's a "chick flick." Should this be an aberration among gender-distressed Texans, I would be happy to find that out.
marantz, yeah, some of GWTW's racism can be traced to the era it was protraying, but the African American in the carriage singing Marching to Georgia, the whole anti-reconstruction view of the film.... Combine racism of the time the movie was portraying with the racism of the time the movie was made and you can get more than a few cringes watching it. But it is still a great movie, for all of the other things in it. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:03 am |
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Rod--Your fascinating take on GWTW and Leslie Howard almost makes me forgive you for your casual, unexplained dismissal of The Departed, which IMO is Scorsese's second-best movie (after GoodFellas).
Ehle--Word on McDaniel. She's great, playing the stereotype and somehow miraculously avoiding it.
I am currently in rehearsal for a play written and directed by an African-American woman. I'm the only Caucasian in a large cast and I am working hard at avoiding stereotyping the racists I play while still playing them. Hattie McDaniel is an inspiration. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:06 am |
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| As a little aside, what Joe said about 'chick flick' seems to go against Oscar Levant's description of what a 'woman's picture' is. The wife has an affair and the husband begs her for forgiveness. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:08 am |
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marantzo wrote: As a little aside, what Joe said about 'chick flick' seems to go against Oscar Levant's description of what a 'woman's picture' is. The wife has an affair and the husband begs her for forgiveness.
LOL. Levant was hysterical--and reportedly a pain in the ass. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:14 am |
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| Long before I saw GWTW, my family used to always catch Beulah on the radio, and my mother or father would often say to us, Hattie McDaniel won an Academy Award. |
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