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Befade
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:05 am Reply with quote
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Go back. When I was there a fancy department store had half of the first floor all about cats: photos of peoples cats, cat books. Contests, a play with actors in cat costumes. Go to a cat cafe. No loose cats.

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Syd
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:46 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:

Btw, Nicosia is one of two divided cities in Europe. Bonus points if you can name the other.


Well, Rome is, though I assume the border to Vatican City is easier to cross.

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gromit
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:42 am Reply with quote
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The divided city of Mitrovic, with Albanian Kosovars on one side of a bridge and Serbian irredentists on the other separated by UN peacekeepers.
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Bart, fyi, I bailed on the Elba Knix forum a couple months back. Wondered why I was engaging with 3 trolls and the jerk kiid. Otherwise there might have been 3 others who posted sometimes. Was a waste of my time. So I'm not very likely to drop in to the politics forums any more. Who knows? But a simple thing like deleting or moving a bookmark really makes it easy to drop a long time habit and move on.

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Syd
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:07 pm Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
The divided city of Mitrovic, with Albanian Kosovars on one side of a bridge and Serbian irredentists on the other separated by UN peacekeepers.
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Bart, fyi, I bailed on the Elba Knix forum a couple months back. Wondered why I was engaging with 3 trolls and the jerk kiid. Otherwise there might have been 3 others who posted sometimes. Was a waste of my time. So I'm not very likely to drop in to the politics forums any more. Who knows? But a simple thing like deleting or moving a bookmark really makes it easy to drop a long time habit and move on.


I like my answer better.

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:03 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
The divided city of Mitrovic, with Albanian Kosovars on one side of a bridge and Serbian irredentists on the other separated by UN peacekeepers.
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Bart, fyi, I bailed on the Elba Knix forum a couple months back. Wondered why I was engaging with 3 trolls and the jerk kiid. Otherwise there might have been 3 others who posted sometimes. Was a waste of my time. So I'm not very likely to drop in to the politics forums any more. Who knows? But a simple thing like deleting or moving a bookmark really makes it easy to drop a long time habit and move on.


Thanks, Bo. I did notice your departure. I don't look in the sports threads much except around the Olympics or WS. Politics still has Boz (Whiskey), Josh, Facility, Larry (whose DC based obs are great), DeeJ, and a couple others I like to engage with. And the clueless Australian is often entertaining. The two hardcore trolls there are easily skippable, and it's fun to catch them out sometimes when their own logic turns on them. So I persist with that thread.

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Syd
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 10:58 pm Reply with quote
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I've always thought that one of the most fascinating eras of film was around 1930 when films were adjusting to sound. I tried to do this once as a film forum, but Nancy diverted it to (an amazingly productive) precode forum but I thought that missed the point, which is how do you adjust to a major change in the very medium you're discussing? Admittedly it's esoteric, but we are supposedly a film forum, so why not do a discussion of what makes a fim?


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Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 5:20 am Reply with quote
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Uh, there's kind of nobody here. I pop in once a week or so.

It is interesting how some actors just didn't make the transition to sound well. International stars with thick accents or who didn't know English had a tough time. Didn't Garbo do one film reading pho-ne-ti-cal-ly?
I like the films where they just slapped in some dialogue for a few scenes, mostly 1929 & '30. Some the camera became fixed in position. Others tried to add camera movement or actor movement, and occasionally voices go in and out, as they get near/away from hidden mics.

Directors seem to have had an easier time moving to sound. But some probably failed too.

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Posted: Tue May 03, 2022 7:58 pm Reply with quote
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A good topic! I have heard that Europe was suspicious of the new talkies, and slow to accept the technology (like Vitaphone) because they felt that a focus on dialogue would subvert the aesthetic of silent film. There were a lot of visual-only purists in Europe and other parts of the world who were alarmed by the whole idea of sound. I went to a festival eons ago, with silent films, where this professor came out and talked about this at some length.

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Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 9:40 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
Uh, there's kind of nobody here. I pop in once a week or so.

It is interesting how some actors just didn't make the transition to sound well. International stars with thick accents or who didn't know English had a tough time. Didn't Garbo do one film reading pho-ne-ti-cal-ly?
I like the films where they just slapped in some dialogue for a few scenes, mostly 1929 & '30. Some the camera became fixed in position. Others tried to add camera movement or actor movement, and occasionally voices go in and out, as they get near/away from hidden mics.

Directors seem to have had an easier time moving to sound. But some probably failed too.


The Garbo film was probably her first talkie, Anna Christie. She had a pretty strong accent that was pretty sexy. In some early talkies, like Five Star Final and Penny Arcade, some of the actors, such as Edward G. Robinson, James Cagney and Joan Blondell have no problem adjusting to sound, while others seem like they're acting on a stage or over-emoting. I'd put Warren Baxter in In Old Arizona and Lionel Barrymore in A Free Soul into that category (but not George Arliss in Disraeli, who is great. Baxter and Barrymore did adjust pretty quickly.

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Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 1:36 pm Reply with quote
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And then there were the thousands of pit orchestra musicians (yes, the higher profile movies in big city theatres of the silent era would have a pit orchestra, and not just a piano or organ) who lost their jobs when sound had established itself. There was even a depression in the musical instrument industry, as so many musicians ended up selling off equipment and getting other careers. I learned this from Rob Cook, who wrote a history of the Ludwig Drum Co.

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2022 3:03 pm Reply with quote
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I think you are more involved in a silent film. Everything isnít explained with words. Even. With black and white films that are talkies you are not diverted by the excitement of color.

Thus, the challenge for film makers today is how to make a film that forces the viewer to make an effort to be involved.

I just rewatched Last Year in Marienbad. That is a difficult film. And a maddening film with the dirge like organ music. I canít say I enjoyed it. But at the time I think it was considered very avant- guard, very brilliant.

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 9:25 am Reply with quote
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In the early talkie era, suddenly films are no longer so universal. One of the crazy things is they started making the same film in different languages using a different cast. You have the sets, so slap in a cast who speak German or French and make the same film again. I'm not sure how extensive this was or when it dropped away. But was a thing in the 30's.

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Syd
Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 6:44 pm Reply with quote
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They did that with Dracula. There was a German Language version of Anna Christie with Garbo in common with the English version, but the rest of the cast was German. There was also a silent version with her but I don't know anything else about it. The tagline must have been "Garbo Doesn't Talk". (There's also a 1923 silent version with Blanche Sweet.)

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grace
Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 3:14 pm Reply with quote
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A couple years ago, Fathom Events showed a double feature of the Lugosi Dracula and the Spanish-language version. While the films were the same almost shot-for-shot, we liked the Spanish version a little better.
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knox
Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 12:00 pm Reply with quote
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The job loss thing mentioned earlier was quite a thing, as I understand it. Not only pit orchestra musicians were out of work, but also some films were accompanied by someone reading a text alongside the showing. In Japan, there were actors who would get up on stage by the screen and perform dramatic scenes with the movie as a sort of moving set. As in Europe (as Bartist mentioned), there was a general sentiment that the moving image was supposed to be a silent thing which could then be supplemented by live sound/music, or just watched in silence if the pure visual art was paramount.
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