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| billyweeds |
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carrobin wrote: Of course, according to the Republicans, all those accomplishments are sinister evidence that Obama's a socialist tyrant who is determined to bring down America. (The only sign of hope is that he hasn't withdrawn troops from the Middle East...)
You're right, of course, but you know what? The Republicans are looking more and more like fools, and soon almost everyone will be turning against them. Obama is, as I predicted way back when, going to be in the forefront of great American presidents. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:26 pm |
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| It's true that Republicans have nothing going for them now except to try to scare the hell out of their constituents. And it's working, to a large extent. I can't help but wonder why some guys are so afraid that they take their guns into Starbucks, and army generals are so afraid of gays that they refuse to change Don't Ask Don't Tell, and airport security authorities are so afraid of everyone that even old ladies and little kids have to take off shoes because of the failed effort of one inept moron. Yet so much of what we should legitimately be afraid of goes unnoticed or ignored. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:14 am |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:50 am |
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| carrobin--You're right again, but the most operative words in your post IMO are "their constituents." Republicans these days are increasingly preaching to the choir only. There are no converts. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:39 am |
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| I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:05 am |
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I'm not so sure either, though I also think I see a shift in the paranoia that the Reps work so hard on. One gift from heaven for the Dems has been the emergence of Rand Paul. They couldn't ask for a better representative for the tea party loonies.
The Democrats can also sit back and enjoy the Republicans internecine battle as that party marches boldly into disarray. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:41 am |
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An irony about Rand Paul is that he's arguably the most honorable of the tea baggers. He's idiotic for not having softened some of his talk now that he's presumably a serious senatorial contender, but at the same time he's remained true to his weird standards. I also don't think for a nanosecond that he's a racist. It's just that dude is in some important ways a complete political moron.
I wonder what his dad--the rare Republican for whom I have great respect--thinks about sonny-boy and his disastrous encounter with La Maddow. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:49 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure.
marantzo wrote: I'm not so sure either.
I rarely say this so definitively, but:
I'm right. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:19 am |
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I doubt that Rand Paul is racist, either, but he's probably learning fast that "honesty" doesn't go over with the public as well as he thinks it does. A politician can be honest, to an extent, but he/she needs to have some creative and subtle speechwriters to avoid the Burmese tiger traps that all journalists camp around.
And I tend to think of libertarians as idealistic and naive to a fault. I think about the guy I knew who got arrested, with a bunch of other libertarians, when he was handing out toy guns to kids in the South Bronx. The kids' mothers threatened them and called the cops. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:54 am |
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billyweeds wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. marantzo wrote: I'm not so sure either.
I rarely say this so definitively, but:
I'm right.
Just like you were right about the public option? |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 11:40 am |
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marantzo wrote: billyweeds wrote: Joe Vitus wrote: I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. marantzo wrote: I'm not so sure either.
I rarely say this so definitively, but:
I'm right.
Just like you were right about the public option?
No (and I didn't say that definitively), but like I was right about Obama winning the nomination and the presidency. We can play this game all day and night. The Republicans, however, are clearly losing ground. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 1:47 pm |
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carrobin wrote: I doubt that Rand Paul is racist, either.
I couldn't tell Rand or Ron from Peter or Paul, but Ron Paul has had long associations with confederate sympathizers and long published a newsletter full of racist, anti-gay, and sexist views.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man
Mostly, you can just read Page 2 & 3.
Not to tarnish Rand by his father, but isn't that where Rand got his start and his philosophy?
As I said, I really haven't really paid any attention to Rand, I wouldn't be at all surprised that he might be a racist. Ron is, or at least found it expedient and comfortable associating very closely with racists for decades, publishing and promoting their views.
The article connects libertarianism with its roots in a lot of conspiracy theories about world gov't, the Trilateral Commission, and black UN helicopters, belief that the Civil War was federal gov't oppression, anti-FDR/New Deal, etc. |
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| Marj |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:03 pm |
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| I never knew that Ron Paul was a racist, so thanks for posting that, Gromit. Man, there are a lot of crazies out there. |
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| carrobin |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:15 pm |
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| I didn't know that much about Ron Paul either. But being from South Carolina, I know plenty of people (many of them relatives) who still believe that the government wasn't within its rights to integrate schools and to require private business owners to hire and/or serve people of a different race. With 99.5 percent of them, it's basically racist, but with a few, it's a matter of personal freedom and state's rights. (And that's why Rand Paul will get lots and lots of Southern votes.) |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:37 pm |
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Marj wrote: I never knew that Ron Paul was a racist, so thanks for posting that, Gromit. Man, there are a lot of crazies out there.
I keep forgetting that side of Ron Paul, so thanks from me too. I guess I don't have great respect for him after all. |
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