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Nancy
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:45 am Reply with quote
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I'm sure Syd will have more films to suggest, and I've probably left some out.

We should also probably decide how this forum will be conducted. I think Syd and I both would like to do something other than just have everybody watch a particular film and discuss that one until we run out of things to say about it, then repeat until discouraged with another film. I'd like to discuss trends and themes, with some films discussed at length to illustrate a point, and others referred to more briefly. I also like Syd's idea of examining a film and its non-pre-code remake, to see what changes were made and why.

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Nancy
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I realized that I should also have suggested Twentieth Century, 42nd Street, and Trouble in Paradise, all of which are sheer delights. (Hey, we need to have some fun.) I'd better go to bed before I forget any others.

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Syd
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:16 am Reply with quote
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As far as specific films:

Let's restrict ourselves to American films. I don't think the production code really applies to European films, as mich as I want to discuss Ecstasy and The Blue Light.

Dance, Fools, Dance and A Bill of Divorcement are showing at the beginning of April on TCM anf I want to discuss them at that time. However, I think we may want to allow late silent films, mostly because I want to discuss Tabu: A Legend of the South Seas. (Nancy talked me out of Sunrise, one of the greatest films of all time but not all that relevant to to Pre-Code discussions, but Tabu fits firmly into the time period we're discussing.)

Nancy and I were discussing specific films, and we came up with:
Baby Face
Blonde Venus (not Blue Angel, which is German)
Dance, Fools Dance
Freaks
I Am A Fugitive from a Chain Gang
I'm No Angel (when She Done Him Wrong becomes available on DVD in late April, we can discuss that , too.)
Ladies They Talk About (we need a good chicks behind bars flick)
Millie
Public Enemy
Red Haired Woman
Scarface
Three on a Match
Trader Horn

To which I add Coquette, Bombshell, Dinner at Eight, The Divorcee, Grand Hotel, Hell's Angels, King Kong and Trouble in Paradise. I don't mean to restrict the discussion to those films. If you see something that is relevant, please post it. I intend to post reviews of Betty Boop cartoons, because they were equally affected by the Hays Code and are relevant to the discussion. Nancy has carefully refrained from discussing Betty Boop.

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Syd
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:33 am Reply with quote
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Gabriel over the White House should be relevant. How available is it?

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gromit
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:09 am Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:

Red Haired Woman


That'd be Red-Headed Woman to you, mister ... and watch your hands.

Unfortunatamente, Freaks still turns up here with all the lurid artwork, but the Grand Illusion on the disc.
So I still have never seen Freaks.

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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:30 am Reply with quote
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from Wikipedia.org :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Motion_Picture_Production_Code_of_1930
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lady wakasa
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:43 am Reply with quote
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Thanks, Mo - I've been thinking spending a little time discussion what's meant by 'Pre-Code' would be a good start. It's more extensive than just the sex; it involves some mob-bish stuff, some social issues stuff. That might be a good week or so's discussion.

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Nancy
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:41 pm Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
Nancy has carefully refrained from discussing Betty Boop.


I thought I'd leave that to you. I'm certainly in favor of Boop.

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Nancy
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:47 pm Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
Gabriel over the White House should be relevant. How available is it?


It's not on DVD. It was issued on VHS some time ago, and TCM shows it from time to time, but I don't think it's on their schedule anytime soon. I saw it years ago, but I don't have it. Amazon has used copies for abou $30, which is more than I'm willing to pay.

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Nancy
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Thanks, mo! Just what I needed. Take a look at this, folks.

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Nancy
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lady wakasa wrote:

Thanks, Mo - I've been thinking spending a little time discussion what's meant by 'Pre-Code' would be a good start. It's more extensive than just the sex; it involves some mob-bish stuff, some social issues stuff. That might be a good week or so's discussion.


I heartily agree, Lady. That's probably what we should start with.

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Marilyn
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Hallelujah I'm a Bum might be a good substitute for Gabriel Over the White House. It's got the "sunnier" view of the "Forgotten Man" song from Gold Diggers of 1933.

Netflix carries it and used copies go for around $7. http://www.amazon.com/Hallelujah-Im-Bum-Al-Jolson/dp/B00005S8KT


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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:26 pm Reply with quote
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lady wakasa wrote:
I've been thinking spending a little time discussion what's meant by 'Pre-Code' would be a good start. It's more extensive than just the sex; it involves some mob-bish stuff, some social issues stuff. That might be a good week or so's discussion.


an absolute essential...to define the area under consideration for discussion...

there are several sub genre film catagories that emerge from this time period that are interesting...newspapering (as opp to straight journalism) jumps to mind immediately...
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Nancy
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:00 pm Reply with quote
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bocce wrote:
there are several sub genre film catagories that emerge from this time period that are interesting...newspapering (as opp to straight journalism) jumps to mind immediately...


Syd asked if the 1931 version of The Front Page would be appropriate. We might want to consider it.

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Nancy
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:04 pm Reply with quote
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Marilyn wrote:
Hallelujah I'm a Bum might be a good substitute for Gabriel Over the White House. It's got the "sunnier" view of the "Forgotten Man" song from Gold Diggers of 1933.

Netflix carries it and used copies go for around $7. http://www.amazon.com/Hallelujah-Im-Bum-Al-Jolson/dp/B00005S8KT


Thanks, Marilyn! I had completely forgotten that one. BTW, the songs "Hallelujah, I'm a Bum" and "Solidarity Forever" were played at a friend's funeral some years ago. Left no doubt about his politics.

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