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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 1:26 pm |
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Marilyn,
I began this response with a blanket statement that I did not think that Angel and Buffy had that message. However, as I thought about it, I disagreed with myself and saw a distinction. I think in Buffy anyone can be a hero. But, in Angel, anyone can be a hero too, but only if one chooses and even if one goes the wrong way one can come back to the right path. The distinction is slight, but I think Angel took into account the personal failures of its characters more than Buffy. |
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 1:33 pm |
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Haiku - I really don't know if I agree with that. Remember that Willow had choices to make. So did Anya. Free choice was Buffy's final weapon against the people who wanted to make her less human by increasing her power. |
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 2:00 pm |
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Marilyn,
good point about Willow and Anya. However, I don't think that Buffy's final weapon was about free choice - I think it was about breaking the rules to empower the previously disempowered. Presumably, the choice would come after.
Not artfully expressed or fully thought out. Admittedly. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 3:05 pm |
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For what it's worth, I'm with billyweeds as far as not seeing any subjects next to the timelines. Wonder why melody gets to see them? She's like that creepy kid in 6th Sense, she sees subject lines. . . |
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Melody |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:23 pm |
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Ehle,
Can you see my "Post subject" line on this post? |
_________________ My heart told my head: This time, no. |
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ehle64 |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:30 pm |
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Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:40 pm |
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Marilyn,
Angel didn't sign away his humanity because it "didn't matter anymore." It was the big sacrifice. It meant so much to him, maybe everything. He gave it up to save the world. I thought it was amazing.
Sioux,
I found the scene at the shelter very moving, too.[/b] |
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Melody |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:42 pm |
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Okay. Type something in your subject box and post it. I'll read it to you if I can. |
_________________ My heart told my head: This time, no. |
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:52 pm |
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Test for subject line. Tell me what you see. |
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Kate |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 11:00 pm |
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That was for Melody or anyone else that can see subject lines. |
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 11:25 pm |
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Kate,
This is what I see:
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:52 pm Post subject: MELODY
You can't see the "Post subject" part? |
_________________ My heart told my head: This time, no. |
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Kate |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 11:30 pm |
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No, I can't. This is what I see: Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 9:25 pm
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Kate |
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 11:40 pm |
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And you are right about my subject line, you do see.....you must have the power! I relinquish all my wordly goods to you....well maybe not all.
Night all. |
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pedersencr |
Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 6:44 am |
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I see the Angel/Buffy discussion is still on, so here are my own reactions to both shows, especially the endings.
I enjoyed every Buffy episode I ever saw (and some twice or more), I would guess because she was such a "let's go do it" kind of gal, even to the point of self-sacrifice. Angel I never warmed up to, I'm pretty sure because he was too broody and the action so much slower than Buffy. And it turns out that, in their endings, my preferences are in that order also.
If I recollect correctly, Buffy's message was "Every girl (/person) can be a Slayer," while Angel's was "The fight goes on."
So I would say Buffy's message was part of the solution, while Angel's was part of the damn problem. Unfortunately the fight does go on, every day, while I personally prefer a solution-oriented outlook.
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billyweeds |
Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 7:38 am |
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Just received my early-delivery of the Sunday Times and guess what??? Kate Aurthur, who those of us in the know are aware is "Kate," the former forum moderator, has written an excellent and quite outspoken review of this season's "American Idol" travesties. It's a big feature with pictures and stuff, and I just wanted to give props to Kate. So you lose a few (and we know what was lost) but you win a few (with luck Kate will write more and more for the Times). The article is must reading for "Idol" addicts and for Kate watchers alike. (I'm a double winner in those categories.) |
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