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Marc
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:55 pm Reply with quote
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LORNE,

PLEASE CHANGE THE NAME OF THIS FORUM TO REFLECT THE NEW TOPIC: FILMS OF THE 90S.

THANKS.
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Marc
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:02 pm Reply with quote
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PULP FICTION is a quintessential nineties film - an indie that became a big hit, a film that plays with and upends genre and form, has a certain postmodernist tongue-in-cheekiness (the casting of Travolta), and is directed by one of the most influential directors of the nineties (Tarantino) - therefore we may want to start the nineties forum with a discussion of PULP FICTION.
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Trish
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:30 am Reply with quote
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This is my shorter list (there are many others I think are great ) of the best 90's films - I would like considered for discussing:

LA Confidential
The Grifters
Croupier
The Ice Storm
Crumb
Unforgiven
Muriel's Wedding
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gromit
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:58 am Reply with quote
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I wouldn't mind a discussion of LA Confidential, since I seem to be the only one who didn't like it. I'm kind of wondering why everyone else is so high on it, and what I may be missing.

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Trish
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:02 pm Reply with quote
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what were your chief complaints Gromit?
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marantzo
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:41 pm Reply with quote
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Gromit, I don't know about anyone else, but I read the book, L.A. Confidential and loved it. The movie is one of the best transcriptions to film of the mood and characters of the book that I can think of. Therefore I loved the movie also. James Elroy also liked the movie, so I suspect you may not like the book.
gromit
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:08 pm Reply with quote
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Watched it maybe five plus years ago (on VCD), and only a few years later learned that it was so respected. So it didn't make enough of an impression for me to remember it too well. I just found it boring, and kind of silly, while trying hard to be clever. I thought that the characters and their interactions rang false and were overly exaggerated. I seem to remember having problems with the Kevin Spacey reporter role and the police chief.

I know that's all somewhat general, which is why I'd be interested in hearing what other folks liked about it. I also didn't like the wrapping-up and the ending, although I generally don't hold that against a film too much. I might be up for re-watching it. But then again, I just watched The Usual Suspects a few weeks back, and that just elicited a big shrug from me. I think I just don't like the 90's/modern approach to neo-noir and crime thrillers.

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Jynx
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:15 pm Reply with quote
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Ohhhhhhhhh, Trish you are so right ...

THE GRIFTERS

definately belongs in this group.

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gromit
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:20 am Reply with quote
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Well I was waiting for the 90's Forum to open, but here's my (minimally revised) Top Ten Films of the Nineties:

1. Raise The Red Lantern (Zhang, 1991)
2. Being John Malkovich (Jonze, 1999)
3. American Beauty (Mendes, 1999)
4. Ju Dou (Zhang, 1990)
5. Three Kings (Russell, 1999)
6. Blue (Kieslowski, 1993)
7. Wallace & Gromit: The Wrong Trousers (Park, 1993)
8. Hoop Dreams
9. Dead Man (Jarmusch, 1995)
10. The Big Lebowski (Coens, 1998)

Well, all I ended up doing was adding in Hoops Dreams and moving out Boogie Nights. I liked BN, but was impressed with it more than I enjoyed it. I didn't get around to hunting up more 90's titles that I might have forgotten.

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gromit
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:12 am Reply with quote
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Regard or disregard at your pleasure, but I swiped this list from the Criterion board:


    The 1990s List (compiled in December 2005)

    1. Rushmore (Wes Anderson, 1998) 692
    2. Goodfellas (Scorsese, 1990) 632
    3. Pulp Fiction (Tarantino, 1994) 587
    4. The Big Lebowski (Coen, 1998) 572
    5. Red (Kieslowski, 1994) 529
    6. Magnolia (PT Anderson, 1999) 498
    7. Chungking Express (Wong, 1994) 483
    8. Fargo (Coen, 1996) 464
    9. Dead Man (Jarmusch, 1995) 453
    10. Blue (Kieslowski, 1993) 439
    11. The Thin Red Line (Malick, 1998) 405
    12. Close Up (Kiarostami, 1990) 399
    13. Wild at Heart (Lynch, 1990) 375
    14. Short Cuts (Altman, 1993) 366
    15. Boogie Nights (PT Anderson, 1997) 365
    16. Ed Wood (Burton, 1994) 352
    17. Eyes Wide Shut (Kubrick, 1999) 351
    18. Fight Club (Fincher, 1999) 350
    19. Unforgiven (Eastwood, 1992) 330
    20. Safe (Haynes, 1995) 323
    21. 12 Monkeys (Gilliam, 1995) 322
    All About My Mother (Almodovar, 1999) 322
    23. Barton Fink (Coen, 1991) 316
    Jackie Brown (Tarantino, 1997) 316
    25. Taste of Cherry (Kiarostami, 1997) 311
    26. Breaking the Waves (von Trier, 1996) 305
    27. Groundhog Day (Ramis, 1993) 304
    28. Beau Travail (Denis, 1999) 293
    29. Lost Highway (Lynch, 1997) 283
    30. American Beauty (Mendes, 1999) 282
    31. The Silence of the Lambs (Demme, 1991) 277
    32. Se7en (Fincher, 1995) 275
    33. The Player (Altman, 1992) 272
    34. Being John Malkovich (Jonze, 1999) 271
    35. The Wind Will Carry Us (Kiarostami, 1999) 259
    36. LA Confidential (Hanson, 1997) 256
    37. The Double Life of Veronique (Kieslowski, 1991) 254
    38. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (Lynch, 1992) 239
    39. Miller's Crossing (Coen, 1990) 235
    40. Schlinder's List (Spielberg, 1993) 233
    41. Underground (Kusturica, 1995) 232
    42. Rosetta (Dardenne, 1999) 230
    43. Husbands and Wives (Allen, 1992) 229
    44. The Celebration (Vinterberg, 1998) 220
    45. Twin Peaks: Pilot (Lynch, 1990) 213
    46. Election (Payne, 1999) 211
    Three Kings (Russell, 1999) 211
    48. The Nightmare Before Christmas (Selick, 1993) 202
    49. Happy Together (Wong, 1997) 200
    50. Crash (Cronenberg, 1996) 193
    51. Naked Lunch (Cronenberg, 1991) 190
    52. Happiness (Solondz, 1998) 184
    53. Heavenly Creatures (Jackson, 1994) 177
    Lessons of Darkness (Herzog, 1992) 177
    55. Life and Nothing More (Kiarostami, 1991) 176
    56. JFK (Stone, 1991) 175
    Wallace & Gromit: The Wrong Trousers (Park, 1993) 175
    58. Heat (Mann, 1995) 174
    59. Reservoir Dogs (Tarantino, 1992) 170
    60. Casino (Scorsese, 1995) 169
    61. Princess Mononoke (Miyazaki, 1997) 166
    The Straight Story (Lynch, 1999) 166
    63. La Belle Noiseuse (Rivette, 1991) 165
    64. Bottle Rocket (Wes Anderson, 1996) 160
    65. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (Gilliam, 1998) 155
    66. Before Sunrise (Linklater, 1995) 152
    67. Glengarry Glen Ross (Foley, 1992) 151
    68. Secrets & Lies (Leigh, 1996) 149
    69. Fallen Angels (Wong, 1995) 145
    70. Out of Sight (Soderbergh, 1998) 143
    71. Irma Vep (Assayas, 1996) 142
    The Shawshank Redemption (Darabont, 1994) 142
    73. Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai (Jarmusch, 1999) 141
    Raise the Red Lantern (Yimou, 1991) 141
    75. The Truman Show (Weir, 1998) 134
    76. Hoop Dreams (James, 1994) 133
    The Kingdom (Arnfred/von Trier, 1994) 133
    78. Satantango (Tarr, 1994) 131
    79. Show Me Love (Moodysson, 1998) 130
    80. My Own Private Idaho (Van Sant, 1991) 128
    81. The Hudsucker Proxy (Coen, 1994) 127
    82. Naked (Leigh, 1993) 126
    83. Lone Star (Sayles, 1996) 125
    84. Saving Private Ryan (Spielberg, 1998) 122
    85. La Promesse (Dardenne, 1996) 121
    The Limey (Soderbergh, 1999) 121
    87. To Live (Yimou, 1994) 120
    White (Kieslowski, 1994) 120
    89. Edward Scissorhands (Burton, 1990) 117
    90. Run Lola Run (Tykwer, 1998) 115
    Welcome to the Dollhouse (Solondz, 1995) 115
    Wallace & Gromit: A Close Shave (Park, 1995) 115
    93. Terminator 2: Judgement Day (Cameron, 1991) 113
    94. Ashes of Time (Wong, 1994) 111
    95. Flowers of Shanghai (Hou, 1998) 109
    96. The Virgin Suicides (Coppola, 1999) 107
    97. Ratcatcher (Ramsay, 1999) 106
    98. Lovers of the Arctic Circle (Medem, 1998) 104
    The Matrix (Wachowski, 1999) 104
    100. Crumb (Zwigoff, 1994) 103
    Toy Story (Lasseter, 1995) 103

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Kate
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:07 pm Reply with quote
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Gromit - just the list I needed, thanks. I think this could be a great forum for the summer.
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Jynx
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:28 pm Reply with quote
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Gromit - thanks for including Election another of my favs. I have to also add The Basketball Diaries.

Election = asian hard on -- my daughter had that texted to her! Kids Rolling Eyes

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marantzo
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:09 pm Reply with quote
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Tell your daughter that that joke is older than her grandparents.
Marc
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:17 pm Reply with quote
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Lorne,

please change the name of this forum. Or instruct ehle, billy or shannon on how to do it. You gotta help us out here.
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Jynx
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:24 pm Reply with quote
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I know marantz, and I did get a good snicker, snort from it. She was horrified I found it funny.

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