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gromit
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:19 am Reply with quote
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I thought I was the only around here who didn't like Alda's Senator.
Just seemed mostly cliche and really distracting, taking me out of the film every time he appreared.

But now I guess I'm obliged to put together a list of some sort.
Ordinarily I pay little or no attention to all of the end-of-year awards, except to get hipped to any films that might have escaped my notice. I have watched alot of 2004 films in the last several weeks, with Spanglish at the front of the Q.

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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:34 am Reply with quote
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When I started reading this thread and saw Virginia Madsen's name put forth a handful of times for Supporting Actress in Sideways, I disagreed with it at first blush because I thought of her as the lead actress.

Earl et al--It's a measure of the power of Madsen's exceptional performance that you could think of her as a lead actress when her actual screen time is near-miniscule. She only has three or four scenes and only one of them could be considered anything like lengthy. It's just that when she's on screen she defines the words "star, "incandescent," and "great," In my pantheon of female supporting performances, she's up there with Jean Hagen in Singin' in the Rain and Angela Lansbury in The Manchurian Candidate.

P.S. Both Hagen and Lansbury were nominated for the Oscar and lost; hope Madsen doesn't follow suit.
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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:41 am Reply with quote
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POSSIBLE SIDEWAYS SPOILER

Of course, Madsen also delivers an off-screen voice-over for the ages, which is a major part of her performance. The last scene of the movie depends 75 percent on the beauty of her delivery of the phone message, a life-changer if there ever was one. My God, I love this movie and this woman!!!
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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:46 am Reply with quote
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Alan Alda in The Aviator can be accused of chewing the scenery a little bit, but that's what he's been hired to do. You love to hate him, and you love to see Hughes shoot him down. Alda makes him believably hateful, and what's interesting to me is that in his first scene I sort of sympathized with him having to deal with the very scattered presence of Hughes in his home and at his table. I never liked Alda in M*A*S*H either, but on Broadway in earlier years he was a professional and rather charismatic presence, and he was aces opposite Meryl Streep and Barbara Harris in The Seduction of Joe Tynan.
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chillywilly
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:47 am Reply with quote
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censored-03 wrote:
Chilly you are right I was thinking of Best Actress with Wright Penn's role in A Home at the End of the World

I will add Cloris Leachman in Spanglish for my third Supporting Actress.

What a start! Sorry 'bout that folks.

I really need to see Spanglish, mostly because I like James L Brooks' movies. But also didn't realize that Cloris Leachman was in the movie.

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chillywilly
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:51 am Reply with quote
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Private Joker wrote:
censored-03 wrote:

Man! After all the bitching you did at Chilly this is a pretty far-fetched stretch...did the guy pay you off or something? Or maybe just an Academy Award like nod to his lifetime achievements ? Razz


I've defended Grant's performance in that film on here several times. I refuse to do it again. Furthermore, I provided ample reason why Alda sucked. When you can find a reason why Grant is undeserving, then maybe I'll listen.

I questioned this as well, but left it alone because I've not seen the movie. When it comes out on DVD and gets put on my Netflix list, then I'll post my opinion.

I do like Hugh Grant in most of the movies I've seen him in, espeically Notting Hill.

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chillywilly
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:41 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Chilly--No need to explain yourself to Joker. See my Alda nomination below.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR (alphabetically):

Alan Alda, The Aviator
Thomas Haden Church, Sideways
Mos Def, The Woodsman

Thanks, billy. Good to see another Alda nom.

The Woodsman hasn't shown up in any theaters here in Utah yet. I'm hoping once Sundance finishes up on the 29th, it will make it's way to the Broadway (our independent theater downtown).

I read a piece in the NYT about Bacon and Sedgewick and how they made the film and it sounds like their performances are incredible.

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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:42 am Reply with quote
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chillywilly wrote:
Private Joker wrote:
censored-03 wrote:

Man! After all the bitching you did at Chilly this is a pretty far-fetched stretch...did the guy pay you off or something? Or maybe just an Academy Award like nod to his lifetime achievements ? Razz


I've defended Grant's performance in that film on here several times. I refuse to do it again. Furthermore, I provided ample reason why Alda sucked. When you can find a reason why Grant is undeserving, then maybe I'll listen.

I questioned this as well, but left it alone because I've not seen the movie. When it comes out on DVD and gets put on my Netflix list, then I'll post my opinion.

I do like Hugh Grant in most of the movies I've seen him in, espeically Notting Hill.


I haven't seen the Bridget Jones sequel in question, but Grant's performance in the original was one of my nominations that year. He really shines as a scumbag.
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chillywilly
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:46 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
I haven't seen the Bridget Jones sequel in question, but Grant's performance in the original was one of my nominations that year. He really shines as a scumbag.

I agree. I did like the first Bridget movie performance of Hugh Grant. That "loved to hate him" statement very much applies.

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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:57 am Reply with quote
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...their (Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick) performances are incredible.

The whole cast is astonishing, including Mos Def (see above nomination) and, amazingly, a pre-teen girl named Hannah Pilkes. She's incredible.
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billyweeds
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:03 am Reply with quote
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ehle64 wrote:
Best Supporting Actress Nominations:

Natalie Portman - Closer

Laura Dern - We Don't Live Here Anymore

Lily Tomlin - I Heart Huckabee's


I would have thought Dern's perfomance was in the Best Actress (not supporting) category. She's certainly excellent, whatever category she's in.
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chillywilly
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:17 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
The whole cast is astonishing, including Mos Def (see above nomination) and, amazingly, a pre-teen girl named Hannah Pilkes. She's incredible.

I didn't catch all of the Golden Globes, but did Mos Def win or was he nominated for his role in The Woodsman?

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yambu
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:24 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
....I never liked Alda in M*A*S*H either.....
Boy, I just don't understand this. For years I looked forward to seeing that show every week, and he was 90% of the reason. My son, now 31, mentioned just last week what a role model he was for him. Hell, I said, he was a role model for me, too.

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Kate
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:26 am Reply with quote
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yambu wrote:
billyweeds wrote:
....I never liked Alda in M*A*S*H either.....
Boy, I just don't understand this. For years I looked forward to seeing that show every week, and he was 90% of the reason. My son, now 31, mentioned just last week what a role model he was for him. Hell, I said, he was a role model for me, too.


Same here. As I was reading the MASH dishes I was thinking how it was a must see in my house, I loved it.
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chillywilly
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:35 am Reply with quote
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Kate wrote:
yambu wrote:
billyweeds wrote:
....I never liked Alda in M*A*S*H either.....
Boy, I just don't understand this. For years I looked forward to seeing that show every week, and he was 90% of the reason. My son, now 31, mentioned just last week what a role model he was for him. Hell, I said, he was a role model for me, too.


Same here. As I was reading the MASH dishes I was thinking how it was a must see in my house, I loved it.

I guess billy and I are the exceptions, but that show never took with me. The only real character I liked when I did watch the show was Mike Farrell's (I forget his character name). He seemed to be the most sincere about his role.

My g/f also loved that show and we have our discussions about my dislike for the show.

To add insult to injury, the show airs here in Salt Lake 5 times a day - two times more than The Simpsons. I'll take Homer and Burns over Hawkeye and Burns anyday.

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