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| marantzo |
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| Thanks Macca. The one I heard on the radio was Hey Eugene. Very eclectic group. Like 'em. |
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| Macca00 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:56 am |
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| I've just been on the Live Earth website. They seem to be playing Madonna's dirge on heavy rotation. It's a pity that the message about global warming is being filtered through an singer whose carbon footprint would give a small nation state a run for its money. |
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| Macca00 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:57 pm |
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| I don't know if other posters have been following the Live Earth concerts. The London concert has recently finished, Madonna being top of the bill. She was impressive (well choreographed, slick set), but was overshadowed by the previous act on stage, the Foo Fighters. Grohl & co. took the entire event by the scruff of the neck & made it their own. It's not easy to get a sports stadium rocking, but they pulled it off. Honourable mentions, too, for the Red Hot Chilli Peppers & the Beastie Boys. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:08 pm |
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| Were you there or did you watch it on TV? I haven't watched it myself but it sounds like it was good. |
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| Macca00 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:37 pm |
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| Gary, it's been on the BBC all day, I've watched pretty much all of it through them. The New York concert is currently happening. Not sure which US network is broadcasting it, but it is also being covered on the Live Earth website. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:29 pm |
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| Yeah I know we have/had it on multiple channels here. I just didn't watch. |
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| Macca00 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:01 pm |
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Gary, a lot of the London concert was dross, the nadir being a version of "Que Sera, Sera" by David Grey & Damien Rice. Other acts included Snow Patrol, Genesis, Duran Duran & James Blunt.
Phil Collins looked like a construction worker. Sounded like one, too.
Black Eyed Peas turned in an energetic set, but it sounded ragged. All through their set the TV director frequently cut to Fergie in her cut shorts. The director was in seventh heaven later on when the Pussycat Dolls performed, the amount of crotch shots being in proportion to their scant attire. Made me wonder if the director was a 15 year old schoolkid. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:21 pm |
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Quote: Gary, a lot of the London concert was dross, the nadir being a version of "Que Sera, Sera"
Macca, one of the worst songs ever. You are fortunate not to be old enough to have lived when it was popular and played over and over and over again. As if the music at the time wasn't bad enough without it. That is when I started to hate Doris Day. |
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| Macca00 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:31 pm |
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Gary, the gig in New York is, in fact, in the Giants Stadium, New Jersey, I appreciate that confusing the two states can be controversial over there, we have similar issues here.
Anyway, Cameron Diaz has just appeared on stage to make all the right points about global warming. Problem is that the photographers immediately zoomed in on her hot pants  .
She then introduced Al Gore, who, in turn, introduced Bon Jovi, playing to their home crowd. Makes me wonder if Gore put in a call to Springsteen, after all, he's not touring right now. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:15 pm |
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| Cynical, wrong and bland all at the same time, The Pussycat Dolls are to rock 'n' roll what Paris Hamilton is to world news. The Dolls are not the first all girl group using sex to sell records, but I can't think of any other group who have pushed it so far as to exclude any sense of the transgressive or female ewmpowerment. They are an anachronism born of the worst aspects of hip-hop, the muscial equivalent of a soft porn magazine. And worse, I fear it may be mainly young girls who buy their stuff. Way to go Dolls? |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:39 pm |
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I'm fairly ambivalent about Live Earth. This may be partially becuase being away from England, I've not been swept up in the inevitable hype. I think it is only when you are away that you fully realise what an incredibly wired, instantaneous, here today gone tomorrow place England is. I suspect that this is at least partially the reason that English groups no longer 'crack' America. English groups are to America what flies are to a cow. She can't tell one from the other amongst the incessant buzzing, they go through an entire life cycle in the time she takes to digest her meal and they are patheticly grateful for any shit she sends their way.
Getting back tothe save the world thingy. I get the feeling it is one concert too far. It's so worthy it's hard to argue against it, but unlike it's forbears it just feels like just another part of the political machine. It has as much to do with rock 'n' roll as...well...The Pussycat Dolls, who incidentally... |
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| unohoo |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:47 pm |
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jeremy wrote: Cynical, wrong and bland all at the same time, The Pussycat Dolls are to rock 'n' roll what Paris Hamilton is to world news. The Dolls are not the first all girl group using sex to sell records, but I can't think of any other group who have pushed it so far as to exclude any sense of the transgressive or female ewmpowerment. They are an anachronism born of the worst aspects of hip-hop, the muscial equivalent of a soft porn magazine. And worse, I fear it may be mainly young girls who buy their stuff. Way to go Dolls?
Wow. What brought that on? I mean I don't particularly care for the Pussycat Dolls either, but I don't think that they have broken any new laws on using sex to sell records. Sure it's been done before and been done better but PCD hasn't hurt anyone. |
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| Macca00 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:13 pm |
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| The problem I have with the Pussycat Dolls is that, like the Spice Girls a decade back, they masquerade as a "post-feminist" outfit. Therefore, they can sing lyrics of female abasement in one turn, while delivering opaque utterances of "female empowerment" in the other, the latter focusing on appearance & fashion ("Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?" being a case in point). |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:16 pm |
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You're right, I'm probably over-reacting. Why should I resent The Dolls doing what so many others do, exploit the assets they have to make some money while they still can. Carpe Diem. I just get depressed at the increasing sexualisation of rock 'n' roll, its portrayal (or is that betrayal), particularly in Hip Hop, of women as sex objects; available, submissive and willing.
Even the likes of Beyonce, who has thepower to call the shots, seems unable or unwilling to turn her back on the ho imagery. I look hard, and I have well tuned antennae for these things, but I can't detect a hint of the irony associated the new laddism of the nineties. Neither do I get a sense of the female empowerment that categorised Madonna's flitations with sexual imagery. For me, The Pussycat Dolls represent the nadir of this trend, offering nothing but their bodies, their target demographic is young teenage girls and boys. Rock 'n' roll has always been about sex, but it has also been about freedom and forging an identity of your own. What type of identity do The Dolls represent.
It's not that I have a problem with attractive young women. I really enjoy the slick pop of The Sugarbabes. But watch a Sugarbabes video and compare it with one by The Dolls. For me The Sugarbabes are saying girls just want to have fun, whilst The Dolls are saying, I'm for fucking. |
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| Macca00 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:45 pm |
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Away from the minefield of sexual politics in rock 'n' roll (where's Billy Bragg when you need him?), I was impressed by Kanye West's contribution to the Police's "Message In A Bottle", rock & rap working well together.
And that's it. A brief message from Al Gore & the masses trudge away, a little less ignorant about global warming. |
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